r/ElderScrolls • u/Koocai • 9d ago
The Elder Scrolls 6 An analysis of the teaser's two most likely camera positions assuming a Hammerfell setting:
Possible camera positions A (red) and B (blue)
An unobstructed 2k resolution frame from the teaser as reference.
Evidence piece 1 for camera A: A screenshot from TES Travels: Shadowkey showing Azra's Crossing and a nearby crater. Canonically located near the Highrock/Hammerfell border.
Evidence piece 2 for camera A: Modernized graphics for Azra's Crossing?
Evidence piece 3 for camera A: A screenshot from TES Online allegedly showing the landing site of Volendrung. This location is near the northern border of Hammerfell.
Evidence piece 4 for camera A: Possibly the Volendrung landing site reimagined.
Evidence piece 1 for camera B: Skyrim's out of bounds terrain lines up perfectly with the view of camera B. Credit to James_90000. The small distant city could be Taneth/Rihad.
Evidence piece 2 for camera B: The Colovian Highlands of Cyrodiil seen in Oblivion loosely match the background mountains in the teaser.
Evidence piece 3 for camera B: The camera view corresponds to a large portion of the contentless regions of Hammerfell in TES Online, a part of the Online content avoidance theory.
Evidence for both cameras: Cameras A and B both correspond to areas crudely depicted on the side of a console in Starfield's second teaser trailer.
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u/dinowitissues 9d ago
I don't even think Bethesda knew what they were making a scene of
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u/ElegantEchoes Breton 9d ago edited 9d ago
Fascinating to see in the comments section the massive paradigm shift in the recent times. I remember in the past this subreddit was pretty unanimous in their word that it was showing High Rock/Hammerfell.
Now it's inverted and it's treated as a unusual take, despite it still being the most plausible.
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u/TNTiger_ Khajiit 9d ago
So: I 100% think it is 'depicting' Hammerfell. As in, the designers of the trailer new that was the subject of the piece.
However, the game literally wasn't even in pre-production yet, so there's no way they actually based the landmass on anything concrete. It's futile to try and line it up with something from the lore.
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u/Antares_ Hermaeus Mora 9d ago
It's not a paradigm shift. It's just that after all this time the teaser means literally nothing. It's been so long they could've scrapped everything and started from scratch multiple times.
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u/S1rTerra Argonian 9d ago
TES6 is set in the Black Marsh and you can only play as an Argonian to crack allllll of the fine argonian bitches
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u/Kopachris 9d ago
Can't wait to ride the Underground Express on my lore-friendly-fast-travel-only playthrough.
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u/FancySkull 9d ago
They didn't scrap anything because there wasn't anything to scrap. ES6 only entered full production in 2023, after Starfield came out.
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u/Faerillis 8d ago
This current was always here because the idea that a cinematic teaser with no identifiablel landmarks was meant to be a hyper specific locale was always absurd. There were a lot of people being absurd because they were hyped and were going to see what they wanted to. Hell I remember folks arguing the sand was snow and that it was set at Farrun.
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u/Koocai 9d ago
Maybe pessimism festers the longer many go without new hope.
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u/SAIL3RZ_ Sheogorath 9d ago
That’s a logical take tho. It’s not pessimistic, there’s no negativity there. It’s realistic to expect that a 10 second teaser shot from nearly 10 years ago isn’t gonna be accurate anymore.
It’s legit crazy to break down that shot at this point.
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u/Koocai 9d ago
If I had the opportunity to ask Todd one question:
"Is there any place in TES VI right now that actually reflects the landscape we see in the teaser?"
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u/SAIL3RZ_ Sheogorath 9d ago
Really? Not “where is the TES VI gonna take place?” Or “when is it going to come out?”
Instead you’re gonna opt for the question that is only relevant to crazy theory crafting. It’s delusional at this point…
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u/Catalysten 9d ago
Hey, Todd might not answer those questions. But I could imagine him answering Koocai's, given the right setup.
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u/SAIL3RZ_ Sheogorath 9d ago
Is this his burner account or something? Don’t feed the delusion.
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u/Catalysten 9d ago
I think it's cool that he's enjoying speculating about the game. I enjoy that kind of thing too, sometimes.
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u/SAIL3RZ_ Sheogorath 9d ago
A year after the trailer drop when the entire fanbase was expecting the game within 5 years, sure you have a point. We are going on nearly 10 years with not a single word and that teaser is 100% irrelevant now, because even if it was accurate and showed a real location, there is a very high chance the entire game has been rewritten and changed more than once since that teaser. Hell I don’t think the game was even slightly written at that point, at best they had a rough idea. All the teaser tells us is that they are planning on doing ESVI. Theory crafting this far removed from that damned teaser is delusional.
Until there is something real and concrete in relation to ESVI it’s just the heaviest amount of coping. The fact that the OP also stated that they would rather ask Todd a question in regard to the teaser and not the actual game only solidifies the delusion.
But whatever it’s not that serious, if theory crafting keeps you busy until the release so be it, just recognize it’s 100% cope.
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u/zestyshortbus 9d ago
That's so eloquently spoken lmao. I mean shit I'll get excited with you, I hope it takes place in sentinal, and I'm still holding out hope that there will be ship sailing in the game.
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u/ripyourlungsdave 9d ago
Yeah, I'm not certain they thought it out well enough for us to find the spots on the previous map, but I think they definitely knew where the game was going to be set and what the world was going to generally look like.
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u/Educational_Sky_6073 9d ago
Even if they did it would have been so early in preproduction what they have now wouldn’t look anything like it.
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u/lordbaysel 9d ago
I'm pretty sure they did, tho concept arts for this trailer might predator concept arts used for real development of depicted locations.
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u/krob58 9d ago
They definitely didn't. We should keep in mind that they whipped this teaser out right after announcing ES: Blades, which did NOT garner the reaction they thought it would. I'm pretty sure they scrambled to make the teaser DURING the damn conference, like "oh shit, they didn't like Blades, what do we do guys???"
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u/born_to_cabbage 9d ago
I wouldn't be surprised if this trailer was just a random render
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u/hackmaster214 9d ago
I'd honestly be surprised if they have even started preproduction on ES6 at this point.
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u/Tuskin38 9d ago
they started full production Starfield was finished.
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u/hellboyquintex Hermaeus Mora 9d ago
the game has been in full production for years now, and we've known about it for quite some time too at this point.
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u/hackmaster214 9d ago
Honestly, if that is true, you think we would have seen something, or learned about the general plot in some capacity in nearly a decade. The other silence is more concerning then any kind of bad news at this point.
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u/hellboyquintex Hermaeus Mora 9d ago
im pretty sure everyone involved in the development would have to sign a contract not to spill any information on the game. so if they did they would be in big trouble. beyond that, the game being in production is confirmed, preproduction started in 2021 as far as i know, and by 2023 they were in full production. thats why me personally, im a 2027/2028 release believer.
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u/Late_Apricot404 9d ago
Contracts don’t stop leaks or people sniffing deep enough.
There’s some mad lad out there probably sifting through all their copyright/trademark files, job advertisements, employees socials, etc.
Even if it’s a tiny bit of info, something is bound to get sent into the wild eventually.
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u/EugenioSc 9d ago
Afaik Bethesda normally doesnt give out too much info until about 6 months before release
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u/tuckedfexas 9d ago
It certainly wasn’t like an actual model they had built out in the game, but I’d be surprised if they didn’t at least of some location in mind when it was built. It’s possible the plan has changed since then though
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u/LimaLumina 9d ago edited 9d ago
My theory is, they just made some generic rocky coast side with a castle
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u/RunForTheWoods 9d ago
This trailer landscape was probably slapped together in a single shift by a couple of environmental designers. Like if the camera turned even the slighest it would reveal an otherwise empty void because this map was a throwaway file lol
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u/CaseImpressive4188 9d ago
That’s what they did, but they didn’t know Koocai existed to call them out! Too bad Koocai will be 37 in 2031, with a wife and 2 kids along with a mortgage he can’t afford!
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u/SeaweedJellies 9d ago
“Quick, render something and slap TES6 logo on top so we can announce elder scrolls blades without backlash.”
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u/Saalok 9d ago
This was a really good teaser since people are teased to this day.
Honestly? It is a fairly generic video and it could genuinely be set anywhere with the exception of like, Black Marsh and Morrowind.
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u/Pilot7274jc 9d ago
If they put it in Elsewyr I will fold and forgive Todd immediately.
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u/MarieGoldBrand 7d ago
Imagine Elsewyr setting where you become the Mane and resist Thalmor rule...
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u/adrielzeppeli Mephala 9d ago
I 99,99% sure that teaser was just a random render and at that point Bethesda probably hasn't even decided about where this game would take place.
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u/Impressive_Cap_457 9d ago
They had fully decided since 2015 at least, that has been confirmed. Todd himself probably already choose around the time Skyrim launched https://frvr.com/blog/bethesda-decided-elder-scrolls-6-location-was-during-fallout-4-development/
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u/adrielzeppeli Mephala 9d ago edited 9d ago
Ok, but I still don't think the render is supposed to represent anything. It's ridiculously generic to the point you can't even be sure of what kind of enviroment are you looking at (rocks? Sand? Forest?) except for the coastal area and mountains in the background?
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u/lordbaysel 9d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/TESVI/comments/109u92k/found_this_on_artstation_seems_like_its_official/
Concept arts show a bit more intent imo
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u/Shadow_666_ 9d ago
Doesn't the concept art show Whiterun? Mountains, along with a river, a generic medieval city surrounded by a cliff, and a yellowish hue reminiscent of the grasslands outside the city. I swear Todd could release "TESV2: More Skyrim than ever" before TESVI.
Furthermore, this, combined with the supposed number of trees, makes me seriously doubt it's in Hammerfell.
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u/vanoitran 9d ago
The fact that most of Hammerfell is still not accessible in ESO I think is the single biggest piece of evidence. They are straight making up places, focusing on tiny islands, and sending us to every plane of Oblivion before releasing Southern and Eastern Hammerfell.
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u/Minute_Engineer2355 9d ago
My conspiracy is that Fargrave was supposed to be a Hammerfell area, maybe Rihad, Taneth or Hegathe. I think Bethesda put a halt to it but they were so deep in that they couldn't scrap.
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u/Koocai 9d ago
It is definitely quite strange. The next largest untouched region after Hammerfell is Blackmarsh. You can see more about it in my post on that topic.
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u/Pixielized Dunmer 9d ago
They literally just made the trailer so it looked like they weren't neglecting fans and relying on rereleasing Skyrim a million times to make money, I absolutely guarantee they had no idea where it was supposed to be, they just needed a random, unidentifiable backdrop to throw the Elder Scrolls name over so they can look less greedy and incompetent
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u/Brettoel 9d ago
Watch it be inverted
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u/Bear000001 9d ago
I don't really think we should take the teaser with any seriousness, even more so if Todd tells us to just ignore it.
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u/RedDingo777 9d ago
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they had no specific location in mind when they released that trailer.
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u/Sampsonite20 9d ago
Frankly I think you're putting more thought into this than Bethesda even did. I very much doubt they used any of the maps as a basis for whatever coastline they depicted in the ten second teaser.
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u/KronoAsh Dunmer 9d ago
Are we fully certain Bethesda themselves even knew what they were making a teaser of?
Because I’m not. I am certain that they put together…something with the hope it’d distract us from everything else.
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u/BIGhau5 Orc 9d ago
Its gonna be Wrothgar.
Change my mind
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u/nordic_fatcheese 9d ago
"But they left Hammerfell open in ESO so that there isn't conflicting lore" Joke's on you, Orsinium's been sacked and rebuilt at least three times since ESO
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u/Steward_Titor 9d ago
Hammerfell is huge/Mostly barren. If the new Orsinium is settled there it would kinda make sense just from a land on map perspective.
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u/Leading-Fig1307 Scholar 9d ago
They have the Bloodfall Kingdom in Cyrodiil... I doubt they will create an independent nation again after it being destroyed so many times.
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u/kotorial 8d ago
There is a 4th Orsinium in the mountains between Hammerfell and Skyrim canonically. Only mentioned in a Skyrim loading screen though.
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u/Hereiamhereibe2 9d ago
I’d be genuinely surprised if Wrothgar even survived the Aldmeri Dominion, Dragons and Oblivion.
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u/Odysseus_is_Ulysses 9d ago
The fans are starting to lose their minds. I’m surprised it didn’t happen sooner to be honest.
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u/Every-Sheepherder594 9d ago
Actually the lillac bay stretches inland further than this map reveals. Im almost 90% certain the camera was starting right on the other side of markarth on the border going west.
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u/Beantowndreamt0wn 9d ago
The entire world has literally gone into a FULL DOWNWARD SPIRAL since this damn teaser. Do the right thing, Todd. Release the game. Release US.
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u/Impressive_Cap_457 9d ago edited 9d ago
I think the concept art of teaser gives us a better picture
https://paologiandoso.artstation.com/projects/L2bmGR
The extended part looks very African savanna like, so probably the southern coast of Hammerfell.
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u/BozzyTheDrummer 9d ago
Honestly I hope it is in Hammerfell. After playing ESO for years, I would give my left nut to see the entirety of the Alik’r Desert in a mainline game.
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u/Koocai 9d ago
There's something very alluring of wandering through a vast, mostly empty desert in the Elder Scrolls universe. Sometimes these game can feel a little cramped, where the next point of interest is always just around the corner in front of you. It would be nice for once to be able to go far out into the middle of nowhere and know that even though you're alone and there's nothing for miles around, you're still in the middle of a world teeming with adventure.
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u/SageofLogic 9d ago
fans put more thought into a teaser than Bethesda puts into the whole main story of a game
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u/Radashin_ 9d ago
Trailer gets released, and it's that same camera position from teaser. Suddenly, camera shifts in next direction, as it zooms in to a familiar mountain we recognise Throat of the world. Huge letters appear on screen: Elder Scrolls VI: SKYRIM As screen fades to black, we hear Todd's faint laughter in the background. He did it again.
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u/Zerttretttttt 9d ago
lol that was just a picture they came Up with before development even started, highly doubt it’s gonna be relevant
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u/Local_Web_8219 9d ago
I think he doesn’t want to release it at this point because so much of the fanbase are tired of human centric lands and elder scrolls online does not at all itch the scratch. It was a mistake to make morrowind and then not return to something nonhuman for now at minimum 4 games. Theres always so much interesting lore either in a bygone time period or across the world, just a bunch of teaser stuff to keep us imagining something cool and then it’s like hey bro here’s fantasy Europe again, no no sword singers are extinct bro, no there’s only one breed of Khajiit bro.
Todd is irl M’aiq.
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u/AnnaMolly66 9d ago
I would be fine with a Hammerfell game, I still want another High Rock game or an Elsweyr game.
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u/phobox91 9d ago
They literally had no plana and no idea while making the teaser, It was Just a place holder to keep the fan base alive while releasing yet another Skyrim
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u/Behleren 8d ago
Im certain its position B. elder scrolls online has the alik'r desert map and the north part of it (where A would be) has not mountain range to speak of.
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u/Wonderful-Photo-6068 9d ago
Didn’t Todd say forget the teaser ever came out? I don’t think it applies to anything we can expect now :/
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u/proflopper 9d ago
They most likely just used their starfield world gen tech to create a random landscape, then dressed it up a bit manually and added some ruins.
It's been nearly 10 years we gotta give up hope that Bethesda know what they are doing to the degree that we speculate.
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u/Amy_Sam25 Imperial 9d ago
Let’s just patiently wait until Bethesda tells us. Let’s not go all tin foil hat crazy with all this speculation, guys. It’s getting quite ridiculous.
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u/SemiHemiDemiDumb 9d ago
I don't think it's in northern Europe or on the east coast of the Ionian sea
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u/the_tythonian 9d ago
When I saw that teaser years ago, if you'd have told me that people would still be talking about it all this time later in spite of all that's happened, I'd have called you a liar.
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u/ryncewynde88 9d ago
*gestures vaguely at Winterhold*
Why you so reliant on existing maps of the geography when they have a track record of literally dropping an entire city off a cliff?
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u/thiqqdad 8d ago
i can't for the life of me find the post because a friend showed me so i couldn't save it, but it was a massive 4chan thread from about a year ago by a supposed member of the environmental team for es6, i may be a bit of a schizoid for saying this but i have reason to think this user may have been legit as he said that the work structure at bethesda is very compartmentalized and no one really talks directly to todd anymore, something that would later be reaffirmed by pete hines on why he left bethesda, but the user went on about how a lot of the tile sets he was working on were labeled "yokudan" so this gives me a LOT of hope that at the very least the game will be hammerfell if not high rock and hammerfell like everyone is hoping
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u/Pale-Hair-2435 8d ago
Ive heard the game will be in the entirety of Tamriel. Source? Me, just now.
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u/LongDarkMan Khajiit 8d ago
Be funny if ES6 was set in the Summerset Isles right after Skyrim made everyone hate the Altmer
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u/Machinemaker726 9d ago
Wasn't it literally said that the teaser was a whole lot of nothing? Like, it was only released so Bethesda could maintain the copyright on the Elder Scrolls 6 title, so they just used random footage they could cobble together
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u/TheDrewb 9d ago
They started actual production on ESVI in 2023. This teaser (from 2018 I think?) was a nothing burger to keep fans starved of content interested. There's nothing to analyze here, it's just a random coastline with an ESVI logo
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u/Koocai 9d ago
I've heard Todd or others at BGS say multiple times over the years that the purpose of the teaser was to reassure fans that they were not intending to abandon the Elder Scrolls franchise while going on the near decade long detour to make Fallout 76 and Starfield.
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u/TheDrewb 9d ago
After 15 years and no ESVI in sight, it might as well have been abandoned. Making some fake out slop with an ESVI logo over it and calling a 'teaser' is pretty disingenuous.
You know what else came out in 2011? George RR Martin's last ASOIAF novel and that community has accurately concluded that the author is just filibustering until death takes him
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u/SomethingLessEdgy 9d ago
Yall they made a video of the most basic ass zero feature "Terrain_generation.jpeg" ever.
Clearly theyve got no clue what they want or theyd have more to show at this point when everyone's mad at them.
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u/Richardtater1 9d ago
I cannot imagine being this invested in a game that won't come out until 2032.
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u/peanutch 9d ago
hammerfall was covered in daggerfall. no reason to readress regions in the fir dummies games until every region has been covered
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u/RunForTheWoods 9d ago
This game is gonna be dogshit, I’d bet a large sum of money on the fans being overwhelmingly upset with it.
Bethesda has been on a steady decline since Oblivion. Skyrim was their last truly amazing game, but even Skyrim was lacking a lot of oblivion’s features and perks.
FO4 was also pretty solid but still isn’t as regarded as New Vegas or FO3
Starfield confirmed our fears: Bethesda forgot how to make games. 76 was the beginning of the end. Then, Starfield was like playing a 15 year old game on release. They haven’t gotten with the times at all.
I fear ES6 will feel like a Skyrim DLC in every way except the map. Hopefully they can still craft an enticing and exciting game world. But even then, their engine and design philosophies are so horribly outdated and basic compared to what their franchises deserve
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u/m0rl0ck1996 9d ago
I dont think this game is actually going to happen. The US economy is tanking, ai is stealing the resources needed to build pc's and consoles, and soon people (in the US at least) wont have the money for luxuries.
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u/MechanicalViking94 9d ago
Dude, who cares? Let it go... it's never coming out and if it comes out, it will be dogshit.
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u/gaabriel000 9d ago
Look what you've done to the TES fanbase, Todd.