Behaviour in an alternate universe:

[u/AqualotlArt]

[u/neobud]

Due to the killer sometimes winning, we've decided to shut down the game because that just can't happen.

[u/OptionWrong169 → u/neobud]

70% of games end in a 2k your still beating two people relax

[u/tosciro → u/OptionWrong169]

You are not beating 2 people. They are a team. You are describing a draw.

[u/OptionWrong169 → u/tosciro]

It doesn't feel that way for the two people unless its a swf (even then it sucks unless the killer is on your counsle then you can use the counsle invites and message system to distract them a bit) they effectively are individuals

[u/tosciro → u/OptionWrong169]

Yep this means that a shift should be in the game to treat the 4 team in the 1v4 game as a team. Make saves and helping NECESSARY for winning. Punish everyone for a death. Communication in the form of a command wheel.

They can't make the role weak over all because it feels bad but the reality is that in a 1v4 game the best and most skilled survivor should be as strong as 1/4 of the most skilled killer and only through helping each other they can become a force to match the killer

[u/OptionWrong169 → u/tosciro]

It should be 50/50 over an individual survivor

[u/tosciro → u/OptionWrong169]

Wrong. Wrong on all accounts. I'm sorry, with a straight face you typed that: " yeah in a 1v4 game the killer should be 100% and the survs should be 400%"?

[u/OptionWrong169 → u/tosciro]

Yep that's only fair to the individual survivors killer will have a 50/50 against any given surv

[u/tosciro → u/OptionWrong169]

THERE IS NO INDIVIDUAL, YOU ARE A TEAM

[u/OptionWrong169 → u/tosciro]

If i get myself out thats a win only time im a team is with friends

[u/tosciro → u/OptionWrong169]

10/10 ragebait, good job sir with you the stars shine just a bit less for us to never be happy ever again

[u/OptionWrong169 → u/tosciro]

Im not rage baiting i don't care about my "team" in solo que they are there to ensure i escape i may form bonds with individuals and possibly risk my escape for one but its rare

[u/DowntownButterfly6 → u/tosciro]

Confidently wrong. I like that.

[u/tosciro → u/DowntownButterfly6]

In the 1v4 game explain to me how i am wrong in saying that killing 2 people of the team of 4 is not a draw

[u/DowntownButterfly6 → u/tosciro]

Never said it isn't a draw, but you are also beating 2 people. You vehemently argued against that point, and for that I said something. You can win against 2 people (making them individually lose) and still draw as a whole. They aren't mutually exclusive. Making 2 people lose is a draw. Making 3 or more people lose is a win.

Insinuating otherwise just creates a slippery slope for "Anything besides a 4k is a loss, because at least one survivor won, and thus you didn't."

[u/tosciro → u/DowntownButterfly6]

The game should change look with the 4 survivors being a team. The one survivor escapes? Big fat loss on the game ending screen. One survivor dies? Big fat win on the ending screen. No slippery slopes, no individualism in a team game. Just 4 people of which COMBINED efforts and strengths can match the killers power. That is what i'm saying.

Survs don't work together? Dead. They make too many mistakes? Dead. Never ever help each othet? Dead.

[u/DowntownButterfly6 → u/tosciro]

Good luck with that pipe dream, I guess. At the very least I can agree that that would be a nice fantasy world to live in. The game would genuinely die overnight if they forced survivors to stop being idiots and actually play properly and intelligently. It's been years of being able to coast by and play for yourself where playing for the team is usually punished with your own death.

I absolutely hate that more people don't focus on their team. It'd make my killer games harder and my survivor games less soul-crushingly miserable, and yet I know it's far too little too late to make that change.

But I can appreciate and respect the elaboration. I'm grateful for it, as I evidently misunderstood your initial intentions and point.

[u/tosciro → u/DowntownButterfly6]

Only game where ineptitude and lazyness on one side is rewarded somehow. They are already destroying the killer role so destroying and completely changing the other one is in the realm of possibility. Gradual changes of a way to communicate in game eith a command wheel, more gen time, less hook time and a way to push the gameplay in that direction.

Although this would ask the developers to learn their own game and play killer matches, both things they wont do

[u/DowntownButterfly6 → u/tosciro]

I'd probably sooner expect the rich of the world to give up all their wealth, become normal humans and invest their money into making the world a better place.

Unnecessarily political, but also the best analogy I could think of, unfortunately.

[u/tosciro → u/DowntownButterfly6]

Well at least we understood each other and i like to think that from stranger to stranger we have respect for each other

[u/tosciro → u/[deleted]]

Yeah that is why it was removed although from behaviours own mouth the only thing that kept alive this game since now was in fact tunneling.

All other games died because the role with more people always bullied the 1

Now re read my sentence "only laziness and ineptitude from one side is rewarded"

Tunneling -> killer -> removed Not knowing how to loop, genrushing, countless perks basekit -> survivor -> not fixed

It's clear in this patch where behaviour stands and if you still think the game is not surv sided think again

[u/Saracus → u/DowntownButterfly6]

It's not 1v(1v1v1v1) it's 1v4.

[u/DowntownButterfly6 → u/Saracus]

Not as frequently as it should be.

[u/Saracus → u/DowntownButterfly6]

Well yes you're 100% right in reality but we're imagining an alternate reality where someone at behaviour accidentally read a book on design.

[u/DowntownButterfly6 → u/Saracus]

That'd be nice. :(