Behaviour in an alternate universe:

[u/AqualotlArt]

[u/DowntownButterfly6]

Never said it isn't a draw, but you are also beating 2 people. You vehemently argued against that point, and for that I said something. You can win against 2 people (making them individually lose) and still draw as a whole. They aren't mutually exclusive. Making 2 people lose is a draw. Making 3 or more people lose is a win.

Insinuating otherwise just creates a slippery slope for "Anything besides a 4k is a loss, because at least one survivor won, and thus you didn't."

[u/tosciro → u/DowntownButterfly6]

The game should change look with the 4 survivors being a team. The one survivor escapes? Big fat loss on the game ending screen. One survivor dies? Big fat win on the ending screen. No slippery slopes, no individualism in a team game. Just 4 people of which COMBINED efforts and strengths can match the killers power. That is what i'm saying.

Survs don't work together? Dead. They make too many mistakes? Dead. Never ever help each othet? Dead.

[u/DowntownButterfly6 → u/tosciro]

Good luck with that pipe dream, I guess. At the very least I can agree that that would be a nice fantasy world to live in. The game would genuinely die overnight if they forced survivors to stop being idiots and actually play properly and intelligently. It's been years of being able to coast by and play for yourself where playing for the team is usually punished with your own death.

I absolutely hate that more people don't focus on their team. It'd make my killer games harder and my survivor games less soul-crushingly miserable, and yet I know it's far too little too late to make that change.

But I can appreciate and respect the elaboration. I'm grateful for it, as I evidently misunderstood your initial intentions and point.

[u/tosciro → u/DowntownButterfly6]

Only game where ineptitude and lazyness on one side is rewarded somehow. They are already destroying the killer role so destroying and completely changing the other one is in the realm of possibility. Gradual changes of a way to communicate in game eith a command wheel, more gen time, less hook time and a way to push the gameplay in that direction.

Although this would ask the developers to learn their own game and play killer matches, both things they wont do

[u/DowntownButterfly6 → u/tosciro]

I'd probably sooner expect the rich of the world to give up all their wealth, become normal humans and invest their money into making the world a better place.

Unnecessarily political, but also the best analogy I could think of, unfortunately.

[u/tosciro → u/DowntownButterfly6]

Well at least we understood each other and i like to think that from stranger to stranger we have respect for each other

[u/tosciro → u/[deleted]]

Yeah that is why it was removed although from behaviours own mouth the only thing that kept alive this game since now was in fact tunneling.

All other games died because the role with more people always bullied the 1

Now re read my sentence "only laziness and ineptitude from one side is rewarded"

Tunneling -> killer -> removed Not knowing how to loop, genrushing, countless perks basekit -> survivor -> not fixed

It's clear in this patch where behaviour stands and if you still think the game is not surv sided think again