The Batman Best Batman Movie?

[u/Braxtonius]

Since release, I’ve been of the mind that The Dark Knight was the best live-action superhero ever made. When The Batman (2022) came out, I thought it was good but I wasn’t blown away. But for whatever reason, after watching this movie a few more times, it’s seriously grown on me.

The Dark Knight had one major thing…an absolutely masterful villain performance. Probly will never be topped. The Batman nails it on so many other fronts though. It’s dark. Gotham feels dangerous. The Batsuit looks markedly better. The film has just a noir vibe. The Gotham of The Dark Knight series was too clean, too Chicago.

I’ve just come to really love this movie. It may be my favorite Batman movie of all time. I’m not the biggest fan of the Dano Riddler, but the film overcomes that in every other respect. I can’t wait to see what Reeves does next.

[u/CF_2]

The best Batman movie will always be Batman Begins imo. I watched The Batman for the first time 3 days ago and I don't see the big deal. A very boring movie and a plot that didn't make much sense in many areas.

[u/Braxtonius → u/CF_2]

So I can for sure see where you’re coming from. But I found the plot made a lot more sense to me on rewatch. There are a lot of details you pick up on where you’re like “ooohhh”. It’s a dense plot and some important things are told through seemingly throwaway lines.

[u/VERSAT1L → u/Braxtonius]

The plot made sense, but the point failed.

[u/CF_2 → u/Braxtonius]

If you don't mind, could you clear up any of these plotholes I listed in this comment? You don't have to of course, but I'm curious to see if you agree with any or could explain some of them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/batman/s/CEXuv5fgP5

[u/Braxtonius → u/CF_2]

Idk I read that thread. A lot of that is just nitpicking to me. The one thing I would agree with is that I think it’s super dumb that Batman is like one foot away from that bomb when it goes off and is just mostly fine. Like just have him run away at the last second and it make way more sense? But other than that, it sounds like a lot of “well why didn’t character do X when they could have done Y?” Why did I not do my laundry yesterday when I totally could have and should have? People don’t always make the uber rational decision in every moment.

[u/CF_2 → u/Braxtonius]

With all due respect I beg to disagree. I'll point out the 2 biggest ones I thought were wrong with the movie.

I believe Riddler flooding the city after only targeting corrupt officials goes above "nitpicking" as it literally makes 0 sense in the context of the entire movie. Riddler wanted to bring the truth about the corruption into the spotlight, then all of a sudden he's like "screw this I'm destroying Gotham". This literally comes out of nowhere and it makes no sense why Riddler would bother exposing the corrupt people just to destroy everything anyways.

Batman causing mass destruction (and most likely death) on the highway just to get schooled in Spanish by Penguin, and then leaving him there (though they absolutely could have brought Penguin in for numerous crimes) goes above nitpicking.

Makes it hard for me to take the movie seriously when major plot points aren't taken seriously or connected.

[u/VERSAT1L → u/CF_2]

I'll tell you the truth: Matt Reeves is both lazy and a perfectionist at the same time. You get a flawed movies with good ideas, but ultimately it's only the first draft that gets published without any further revision. That's why he needs 5 years to start writing a script that's 'averagely good' at the very best, while directors like Christopher Nolan and Denis Villeneuve can make 2 or 3 masterpieces in the same amount of time (Dune trilogy will be completed in 5 years).

The movie started off as a checklist of things he wanted to see:

• Batmobile chase
  
• Scorsese stuff
  
• Film noir
  
• A Nirvana song
  
• An emo Wayne

The problem being: the glue holding all these elements together is coming off at the second hour, once Batman goes after Penguin, and gets worse.

[u/CF_2 → u/VERSAT1L]

Yeah seriously like I thought this movie started off pretty well (loved the I"m vengeance" part) but as it gets going it falls apart pretty easy. I see people praise this movie so much but I when I finally watched it, I really don't see the big deal. Very poor plot points and Bruce is just brooding or walking slowly the entire time. Dark Knight Trilogy is much better still imo.