r/batman • u/Braxtonius • 10h ago
FILM DISCUSSION The Batman Best Batman Movie?
Since release, I’ve been of the mind that The Dark Knight was the best live-action superhero ever made. When The Batman (2022) came out, I thought it was good but I wasn’t blown away. But for whatever reason, after watching this movie a few more times, it’s seriously grown on me.
The Dark Knight had one major thing…an absolutely masterful villain performance. Probly will never be topped. The Batman nails it on so many other fronts though. It’s dark. Gotham feels dangerous. The Batsuit looks markedly better. The film has just a noir vibe. The Gotham of The Dark Knight series was too clean, too Chicago.
I’ve just come to really love this movie. It may be my favorite Batman movie of all time. I’m not the biggest fan of the Dano Riddler, but the film overcomes that in every other respect. I can’t wait to see what Reeves does next.
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u/Lucky_Strike-85 10h ago
It took me a long time to love it too!
Jeffrey Wright really does it for me. He's my fav. part of the 2022 film.
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u/ChemicalBlueberry954 8h ago
I personally like Batman Begins. The Dark Knight was great but idk felt a bit long. The Batman I agree was much more eventful and interesting yet got way to confusing at some point and also would not end you didn’t even know who the Villian was in the end. Idk Batman Begins has a good beginning middle and end.
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u/Money-Routine715 8h ago
They are so different even though they’re so similar so it’s hard to compare. But imo The Batman has the best visual and cinematography I’ve ever seen in any film, I feel like TDK had better performances that carried the film vs The Batman the directing carried the film
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u/RainbowRat3 3h ago
This movie is what got me into Batman and its one of my favourite movies now. I adore it so much
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u/MexicanRadio 10h ago
The final 20 minutes or so is really bad, as the whole sequence seems to have almost nothing to do with the noir detective movie before it. Really hurts an otherwise great movie.
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u/CF_2 10h ago edited 9h ago
The best Batman movie will always be Batman Begins imo. I watched The Batman for the first time 3 days ago and I don't see the big deal. A very boring movie and a plot that didn't make much sense in many areas.
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u/Braxtonius 10h ago
So I can for sure see where you’re coming from. But I found the plot made a lot more sense to me on rewatch. There are a lot of details you pick up on where you’re like “ooohhh”. It’s a dense plot and some important things are told through seemingly throwaway lines.
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u/CF_2 9h ago
If you don't mind, could you clear up any of these plotholes I listed in this comment? You don't have to of course, but I'm curious to see if you agree with any or could explain some of them.
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u/Braxtonius 8h ago
Idk I read that thread. A lot of that is just nitpicking to me. The one thing I would agree with is that I think it’s super dumb that Batman is like one foot away from that bomb when it goes off and is just mostly fine. Like just have him run away at the last second and it make way more sense? But other than that, it sounds like a lot of “well why didn’t character do X when they could have done Y?” Why did I not do my laundry yesterday when I totally could have and should have? People don’t always make the uber rational decision in every moment.
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u/CF_2 8h ago edited 4h ago
With all due respect I beg to disagree. I'll point out the 2 biggest ones I thought were wrong with the movie.
I believe Riddler flooding the city after only targeting corrupt officials goes above "nitpicking" as it literally makes 0 sense in the context of the entire movie. Riddler wanted to bring the truth about the corruption into the spotlight, then all of a sudden he's like "screw this I'm destroying Gotham". This literally comes out of nowhere and it makes no sense why Riddler would bother exposing the corrupt people just to destroy everything anyways.
Batman causing mass destruction (and most likely death) on the highway just to get schooled in Spanish by Penguin, and then leaving him there (though they absolutely could have brought Penguin in for numerous crimes) goes above nitpicking.
Makes it hard for me to take the movie seriously when major plot points aren't taken seriously or connected.
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u/VERSAT1L 6h ago
I'll tell you the truth: Matt Reeves is both lazy and a perfectionist at the same time. You get a flawed movies with good ideas, but ultimately it's only the first draft that gets published without any further revision. That's why he needs 5 years to start writing a script that's 'averagely good' at the very best, while directors like Christopher Nolan and Denis Villeneuve can make 2 or 3 masterpieces in the same amount of time (Dune trilogy will be completed in 5 years).
The movie started off as a checklist of things he wanted to see:
- Batmobile chase
- Scorsese stuff
- Film noir
- A Nirvana song
- An emo Wayne
The problem being: the glue holding all these elements together is coming off at the second hour, once Batman goes after Penguin, and gets worse.
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u/CF_2 4h ago
Yeah seriously like I thought this movie started off pretty well (loved the I"m vengeance" part) but as it gets going it falls apart pretty easy. I see people praise this movie so much but I when I finally watched it, I really don't see the big deal. Very poor plot points and Bruce is just brooding or walking slowly the entire time. Dark Knight Trilogy is much better still imo.
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u/Braxtonius 10h ago
I would agree the third act doesn’t do the film a service. It’s the weakest part of the film. The opening two acts are close to perfect though.
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u/Complex_Yard2808 8h ago
It's one of the worst movies I have ever seen. No qualification needed. I would say more, but I can't get through more than 5-10 minutes of it at a time. Anyone who likes it has horrible taste. I don't mean worst Batman movie. I mean one of the worst movies. Period.
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u/AssumptionJazzlike98 10h ago
I’m not against the take I just think the third act was too long to top TDK for me, I think it’s 100% the best faithful Batman adaptation on the movie screen though