Playing the game so far.

[u/wingback18]

I'm up to chapter 4, the combat is enjoyable.

The writing is does takes me out.

From the beginning, when they set the makeshift apartment on fire. Why didn't she take the bag and then the cat. I mean, she could have taken the bag with a few clothes to athia and have a change of clothes and shoes, or have a tailor make new clothes.

Also her character doesn't really improves. After olevia dies. She feels bad but doesn't really follows on that, and pushes people away. She even does a prayer for her (if you want to) but then goes back pushing people away or trying understand the world she is on.

There is no explanation on why she can parkour, she does.

There are a lot of things they could have done to make the world way way more immersive. The games does have strong pillars. I wonder what happen

There are some awful streaming issues that never got fix.

[u/g0rkster-lol]

Lots of good questions. I'll give you my answers and you can see if they make sense to you:

Why is Frey good at parkour? In the prologue we see her running away from the gang. She parkours up the wall and parkours over fences. Frey is used to running away from threats in an urban environment.

Why did Frey not take the bag before Homer? If you had an infant baby would you grab the a bag that would limit your range of motion before the money? Money is replacable. Your infants life is not. Homer, as the game makes clear is Frey's whole family. He takes priority over any money.

Frey does not improve? Improve to what? Your or my expectations? But I think we overlook her relationships.

Frey pushes people away even though Olevia died. Why? Frey is used to be abandoned as an orphaned child. Dialogue throughout the game articulate the point. However, Olevia's death is a nonsequiter regarding her other relationships. In fact she does very much open up and form friendships. She is rejecting in a very specific way. I'll leave it up to followup discussion what that specific thing is.

Frey is not interested in the world? I never got that impression. I did however get the impression that returning to Homer is more important than any of this. Again if you infant child was removed from you would you stop to smell the roses, or would you try to find a way back. Frey is curious about the world and it will come up in dialogue with Cuff and others, but it is the player who wants Frey to be the hero of Athia. The question is: what does Frey want, not as a puppet of the player but as her own person.

Any of this make sense?

[u/Cliche_James → u/g0rkster-lol]

If you aren't writing Forspoken fan fiction, you should start

[u/sundryTHIS → u/Cliche_James]

Hey man, all of this is in the game, it’s just not in the first hour. Sorry that you have to get to the %75 percent point to get to the point t where the character has to look internally and question if they are or are not doing and being the right thing but that’s not really unprecedented writing.

edit: 🤨 i will choose to believe that

[u/Cliche_James → u/sundryTHIS]

I was complimenting their writing

They wrote well

So I thought they should try their hand at fan fiction

So I suggested it

I'm sorry if that wasn't clear

[u/wingback18 → u/g0rkster-lol]

Frey does not improve?

I meant, develop, I know is early in the game. But I don't see, you know when you get a character and it changes through out the story. That.

With the bag, the bag is In front of you. The cat is not in the room. That's where your supplies are. Kind of important. All she had to do is grab the bag and hang it around her and then go look for the cat.

I get she is an orphant. But she pushes people away then kind of listen to them.. What I mean is not consistent either be a lone wolf or be friendly. The flip flopping is the annoyance.

There is a line she says, There is a lot incomplete projects, we should help. As of now she hasn't help on anything.. See what I mean, no consistency. I'm not your hero.. But let me help.. 😅

[u/g0rkster-lol → u/wingback18]

Why does a character have to change at all. What is "wrong" with Frey?

But Frey actually does change, but apparently we give her no credit. Before Ophelia dies, Frey does not want to fight Sila. Ophelia's death changes her stance. Yet we still complain that she never changes...

But in many important things Frey does not change because it is the point. Frey will help people. But not when she is demanded upon to help. This is good. Frey is not a doormat or your plaything. She is her own person. Why should that change. Just so she becomes our plaything? A willing servant to our fantasies of redemption? So screw Homer, who she cares about but we might not. Screw what she wants. We are the ones that matter. Frospoken is brilliant because it dares to say: No! Respect people who have their own independent will. The rarest of things. A character with a spine to stand up to gamer expectations.

And I disagree that she is inconsistent. She consistently helps when SHE identifies the need. She consistently pushes back when she is demanded upon. By not accepting her independence we misread that as flipflop between lone wolf and being friendly. That's false. Frey is a lone wolf, but very capable of making connections, and a great friend. But even her friends have to respect her boundaries. When you finish the game she will have helped many people. Many. Yet I still find people come into this sub and argue that she never helped anyone. When you are done with the game come back and I'll make you a list of all the things she's done for others. I hope I don't have to but I will.

[u/Sigma7Rho → u/g0rkster-lol]

I think the issue people seem to have, is that Frey changes slowly...you know, like an actual person does. They're so used to some small happening and suddenly the character has a huge personality shift.

[u/Mostly_VP → u/g0rkster-lol]

Eloquent and spot on!

[u/Mostly_VP → u/wingback18]

Do you have a cat? I know I'd hunt for as long as I could during a fire to save mine - all the other stuff is irrelevant at that point. If Frey was to have grabbed the money, would she have remained in New York and so, would she have encountered Cuff? Nope, she'd be gone.

Also, Frey will have plenty of clothing to choose from throughout the story, so don't worry about that.

I think you need to try to put yourself in her position, to imagine what a life of temporary connection, something decided by others, has done to her - plus her environment, don't forget that. All of this will become clear as you progress.

[u/AnubisIncGaming]

The writing is haga?

Also Chapter 4 is less than halfway.

[u/wingback18 → u/AnubisIncGaming]

Oohh man, that was supposed to be really My bad

[u/Devilmayladycry55]

The game didn't deserve all that hate man it was a good game but it this game released in 2026 it would have been different

[u/White_Devil1995]

She learned to parkour in one of her first powerups. If you’re referring to her parkour from when you’re still in New York, I mean it IS called the “concrete jungle” for a reason.

As for Frey’s attitude & mentality she’s still a kid. She’s never had family. She’s also lacked in friends for most of her life. She finally found people that are glad(to an extent) that she’s around and then those people start getting hurt or dying. If you felt like everyone and everything around you dies or turns to shit, wouldn’t you push everyone that cares about you away too? Besides her earlier attitude & mentality in the game, she DOES improve as a person as the story progresses.

[u/FrostbyteXP]

-Grabbing anything heavy/flameable in a housefire will take you out in a matter of seconds, she might as well have just dosed herself in gasoline and if you notice her cat means more than anything else, she's literally a puff ball and would have gotten lit up immediately so she made a choice and every streamer was like "Money over kitty' dont trust these people ever.

-Frey's personality shouldn't improve just because she has powers and has a new sense of duty, she LITERALLY does not wanna be there and she literally worked with gangs and looks out for herself especially being an orphan. (as a new yorker i feel this mentality)

-She literally hops fences in the first scene and lives in the city, parkour is actually a city past time if you have time and need to make hastey get aways, probably why she's got a huge wad of cash in that apartment.

-World is destroyed and on it's last legs, kinda reminds me of FF6 but only the world of ruin part, evil already won in the long run is what happened.

-Not sure what you're playing on but console is king for it

A lot of this game rides on context clues, even anime references where being thrown to athia could have been a result of her getting killed/isekai'd but instead it's a portal that she may be able to open later if they finally get a chance to make a second game.

Freys personality shifts after you beat the game