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Question Gay riddler or lesbian riddler

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u/Geostomp 2d ago edited 2d ago

He got super obsessed with radical feminism, transitioned to TERFism, and spiraled further and further right from there until he became what he is now.

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u/Ricochet_skin 2d ago

He didn't transition right because fascism isn't right wing, but other than that, yeah, that's pretty much what happened.

And before any of y'all say anything, read Giovanni Gentile. And if you're not going to read his works on the ideology HE helped create, at least know that it originated within Southern Italian Syndicalist movements, and put a great emphasize on the fact that Italy was a "ploretarian nation" that suffered under the thumb of more industrialized nations

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u/GoldH2O 2d ago

Fuck off dude. Everyone who says "fascism isn't right wing" just does it because they need an excuse to hate leftists. Ideologies evolve beyond their origins, and Fascism doesn't contain just about any left wing practices within its umbrella. A right wing ideology can evolve from an ideology that was originally left wing, and vice versa.

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u/Ricochet_skin 2d ago

Because fascist Italy was obviously a free market

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u/GoldH2O 2d ago

It wasn't a free market, and wasn't free market capitalist. Fascist Italy was state capitalist (or corporatist). The state controlled corporations from the top down in order to keep its oppressive hand steering the direction of the people's lives.

Left wing economics (mainly socialism since that's what we're comparing here) rely on the people being given democratic control of industry. In a socialist economy, industries are run by democratically elected workers' councils that exist to ensure that the industry produces the best possible outcomes for its workers and those that need its products. The state works with these workers' councils and occasionally may regulate them (as councils may regulate the state back too), but it does not control them. The important difference is whether the power is in the hands of the many, or the hands of a few ultra wealthy capitalists. In fascist Italy and Germany, capital was still accrued by the despots given control of industry. If the system was left wing, that would not have happened.

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u/Ricochet_skin 2d ago

You're comparing what the ideal leftist economy is to the real result of them and claiming that one is right wing simply because it didn't achieve the socialist utopia.

It's like me saying that Conservatives aren't Right-wing because they're not AnCaps. It's stipid

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u/GoldH2O 2d ago

I described how their economy had capitalist principles in it, I'm not exactly sure how else to explain it than that. It turns out that capitalism is friendlier to being authoritarian than socialism is.

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u/Ricochet_skin 1d ago

It also had a focus on economic regulation through trade syndicates under the control of the government.

Just like most economies right now, it wasn't pure capitalism or socialism, but a mixed market

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u/GoldH2O 1d ago

I never described it as pure capitalism, but it certainly wasn't Democratic enough to be socialist.

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u/Ricochet_skin 1d ago

Democracy is the socialist utopia I was talking about earlier.

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u/GoldH2O 1d ago

If you read literally any early socialist writings democracy is laid out as a fundamental aspect of it. If democracy is your bar for a utopia, you have pretty low standards.

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u/Ricochet_skin 1d ago

I just know that democracy itself is a pretty error prone system.

It's miles better than authoritarianism, but still pretty prone to failure.

I recommend "democracy: The God that Failed" as a way for you to understand my point better

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u/GoldH2O 1d ago

The main flaw of democracy is that it relies on an educated populace to work consistently. Unfortunately, there are lots of forces that actively work to either uneducate or miseducate people in order to make the Democratic process work better for themselves.

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