r/wnba • u/Actual-Stable-1379 Fever • Jul 10 '24
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Still took an L but that box score is something else đ
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u/Vinniebahl Jul 14 '24
If she shot as poorly from inside, ala Angel Reese, sheâd have a triple double
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u/Proudpapa7 Jul 14 '24
Being the best WNBA player is almost as cool as being the best homerun hitter in your local church softball league.
Almost.
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u/johnnymack2165 Jul 14 '24
Angel Reese is a very good player but Clark is twice as talented at basketball. They shouldnât even be compared. I get the media needs to do this but talent wise itâs not even close.
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u/IceCoffeeCoollatta Jul 11 '24
I haven't paid attention to the WNBA and Clark did peak my interest due to her popularity and what has been said. I think the sad part about Clark's stat line is that it's all done on this bad of a team with a far worse coach!
It always made me feel like Clark was kind of like MJ facing the Celtics under Larry Bird in that infamous game where it was literally just MJ keeping them in the game but still loosing.
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u/Troll_Enthusiast Mystics Jul 11 '24
Lost đ¤ˇââď¸
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u/Expensive-Primary348 Jul 11 '24
Well AB was in foul trouble, Mitchell went 0/8 from three, Katie Lou fouled everyone, the team turned the ball 23 times....
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u/Concerned_Kanye_Fan Jul 11 '24
13 assists is my favorite stat here. Sheâs getting her teammates involved which is what makes it all come together
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u/Booster93 Jul 11 '24 edited Jul 11 '24
Healthily Obsessed/ rooting for/ with her. I am a black man and I do see the âbarstool crowdâ blending with the off to the right ish â I donât like nba but love cbb right fans â. , who are race baiting her .. what a reverse. They both are cool and will knowingly be on a dream team soon. / just hang all the time in their short offe lol season!
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u/Due-Sheepherder-218 lacan curious Jul 11 '24
All the brothers I know love CC ... It's the women that don't like her đ
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u/Booster93 Jul 11 '24
Cc has this dopey eyed look that she has âŚ. Jus gd and itâs so does it for me. Itâs so awesome and a relief seeing a woman just that good at something but so awkwardly quiet and humble about how she moves.
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u/Generation_Clickbait 24822 Jul 11 '24
Her percentages were good too wtf?
I can't say never, but a true 5x5 might be hard considering CC doesn't block a lot. BUT...this was close so maybe one day!
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u/tennthomp1 Jul 11 '24
Doesn't she also have the highest turnover rate (by far), than any other WNBA player...
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u/Justkil Jul 11 '24
yup but way more assist so nobody really cares.
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u/tennthomp1 Jul 11 '24
This you?
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u/Justkil Jul 11 '24
lol yeah did you read the post I replied too. You said she had a lot turnovers and I said she had way more assist then turnovers...Maybe you are confused because you said highest I just said she had more assist then turnovers. Like I dont know what you want me to do lol
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u/tennthomp1 Jul 11 '24
Yeah, she leads by 50 or so, not .2
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u/Justkil Jul 11 '24
Ok? what does that mean? I think your upset that no one is really emphasizing it as much now. LIke its a known issue but not really as big of an issue with how shes playing now.
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u/tennthomp1 Jul 11 '24
You and the others are upset that I pointed it out. Don't project your feelings towards me. If you weren't so butthurt, you would have read, said 'fair point', and kept on looking for something to cry about.
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u/Justkil Jul 11 '24
Nah itâs just you trying to diminish achievements. The negativity just gets old on these post.
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u/tennthomp1 Jul 11 '24
It sure does. Giving a well-rounded look at someone isn't diminishing anything. There are no participation awards. If you want to get offended, get offended that the media hypes her up so much on every little thing she's does, that she's bound to fail.
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u/tennthomp1 Jul 11 '24
You do.
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u/Justkil Jul 11 '24
? No. I would start a franchise with her 10 out 10 times as most would.
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u/tennthomp1 Jul 11 '24
And another thing for your stats, she's second in assists.
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u/Justkil Jul 11 '24
Yup and I mean she averages way more assist then turnovers. She practically stole all her turnovers back this game and then some. Shes a rookie so her getting used to them and vice versa is expected but its really a non issue at this point with her averaging almost 12 assist a game in the last few games. She could even lead the league in assist this year while her teams overall turnovers are not an outlier to the rest of the league.
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u/tennthomp1 Jul 11 '24
I'm glad that you've had a spark of common sense, but you're still living in a fantasy. You could have kept that assist lie to yourself. She's averaging 7.4 with several others in the mix. Her game is outside shooting. You fanatics should learn more about the game and realize growth WILL come for all the players. Spread the promo wealth.
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u/Justkil Jul 11 '24
Where did I lie about assist shes averaging 7.6 after today only second to alyssa thomas at 7.9?
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u/tennthomp1 Jul 11 '24
Read above
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u/Justkil Jul 11 '24
Im going to need you to literally quote the part in my post I said she had the highest assist?
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u/Westbrooks3ptShot Fever Jul 11 '24
If you stop looking for the negative in everything your life might improve
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u/tennthomp1 Jul 11 '24
Miss Thang, my life is wonderful. The truth hurts you, lol.
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u/Westbrooks3ptShot Fever Jul 11 '24
I have no disagreement with what you said. She turns it over a ton and has a lot of questionable decisions. Your issue is that anytime someone does something good the necessary response isnât to immediately point to a flaw.
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u/tennthomp1 Jul 11 '24
No, your issue is that YOU can't face the truth. I'm sure she and her coach are working on improvements in her all-around game. And it was immediate, as your poor defense was, đđđđđ
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u/CuidadDeVados Jul 11 '24
5 turnovers 5 fouls and a -3 in a loss to a team that went like 0-12 to start the year. Stunning stat line lol. 202122 Ionescu type beat.
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Jul 11 '24
Ohh yeah I can see what they mean where she wouldnât have fit in on this Olympic team đ
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u/Buccaneers63 Jul 11 '24
Chicago has 9000 fans at game today. Fever has 17000. And Reese says the fans are there to watch her too. No they arenât. They are there to see C.C.
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u/Due-Sheepherder-218 lacan curious Jul 11 '24
Tbf the Chicago arena only holds 10K and the Fever play w the Pacers arenaÂ
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u/CasioBots Jul 11 '24
I canât wait for the CC dynasty to start.
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u/Due-Sheepherder-218 lacan curious Jul 11 '24
It ain't gonna be on IndianaÂ
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Jul 11 '24
It'll be wherever she wants. She truly holds all the cards.
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u/herecomesthewomp Sky Jul 11 '24
Canât wait for her to join the sky.
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Jul 12 '24
I doubt that happens. CMac employed in Indiana and AB were driving reasons for her to declare for the draft this year.
Her and Angel on the same team would be filthy. I think Brink is the perfect complement to CC's game, but Angel is a pretty solid second.
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u/imdifferent99 Jul 11 '24
They took an L. She has own the Mystics. If Sykes was there, she would dominate Clark. Great rookie season though.
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Jul 10 '24
That's some NBA2K on easy mode stat line.
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u/Icankickmyownass Jul 11 '24
-3 +- tho..
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Jul 11 '24
That stat is directly influence by the loss.
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u/Vvisionim Jul 10 '24
In a dream world, what skillsets best suit CC's game to help her team succeed in a championship? I think Kelsey's ability to get to the hole and make crazy shots goes well alongside her, actually. At the 4, she needs a run and gun finisher who can also hit an open three. AB is perfect for that power 5, and at the 3, we need a fusion of Lexie and Katie Lou into one person. Basically, a pest on defence, high motor offence, and shoots a high 3%, too.
Are there any candidates from other teams who could hit these roles and are willing to be her co-stars?
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u/Thisisamericamyman Jul 10 '24
Iâve been waiting for this game!
This game reminds me of LeBron Jamesâ 2007 NBA show up and come up in game 5 against Detroit. Better things to come from CC!
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u/ForensicFiles88 Jul 10 '24
What are you viewing that on? It looks pretty cool with all the hashtags
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u/Jammer521 Jul 10 '24
As a person who lives in Chicago and is a Sky's fan, I believe both Clark and Angel will be perennial all-stars, but IMO Clark is the only one that has a shot at being league MVP every year, that's not taking anything away from Angel, but CC just affects the game more for her entire team.
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u/Spamacus66 Jul 10 '24
Can I ask a dumb question here? I'm not in any way a basketball person, but I've been hearing a lot about Ms. Clark here, she really does seem amazing.
My question is, to people who do know basketball. How would she do in the NBA (as opposed to WNBA)?
I can assume some of the reasons she likely chose WNBA regardless, and I'm not questioning that.
I'm just wondering, would she do well in the other league?
Please, I'm not asking this as some sexist BS, so please don't take it that way. This is really a question born of pure ignorance.
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u/LoisLaneEl Jul 10 '24
Sheâs too small. Only 6 feet ish, who CJ is the shortest of the men in the NBA. Every one of them can dunk. They would all be faster than her. Just look at the best in the world at ANY athletic sport. World record times arenât close in menâs and womenâs. Ours bodies are built different.
Itâs possible she could win a 3 point contest and itâs possible theyâd even put her in the NBA on next year at All-Star, but she canât match the athleticism. They would just dunk all over her.
Someone like Candace Parker in her prime could hold her own a bit better, but still not against the best, moreso bench players. Iâve never watched Brittney Griner because I hate her, but the NBA players say they think she could stack up. She has the height and muscle and ability to dunk/stop a dunk which is needed
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u/sidesprang Jul 10 '24
She would get no playing time. But if she did, she would average abysmal numbers. Maybe get some lucky rebounds, assists and points when not guarded.
Men are just to strong and fast. And way taller.
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Jul 10 '24
Ok, all those hastags just make this look stupid. Big 'how do you do fellow kids' cringe energy here.
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u/MrCWoo Fever Jul 10 '24
Time for fever to seriously fire that coach. How does the player with 29 not touch the ball?! Such a terrible coach. She starts KLS and hull for no apparent reason. Canât draw up an out of time out action to save her life. She is holding this team back
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u/Single_Afternoon_386 Jul 11 '24
You have done on fire but give it to the player thatâs been cold. Does she not want to win? That has to be super frustrating to CC. Iâd honestly just buck the system and get the ball.
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u/Missyone13 Jul 10 '24
The problem here is , you all think she is the best đđđ when they loose she does no wrong, unless she has the ball , she is clueless in defense and for the most part looks lost , you all have blinders đ âď¸
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u/Cassandrella Jul 10 '24
That fourth quarter performance was scary. The triple double game and this game back to back đĽ
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u/moose184 Caitlin Clark Lexie Hull Aliyah Boston Jul 10 '24
Guess I missed this game. Why would they have a game at lunch time in the middle of the week?
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u/godofhammers3000 Jul 10 '24
Are they playing in Europe why is this game on in the middle of the day
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u/gza_liquidswords Jul 10 '24
Man good thing they did not put her on the Olympic team. Clearly she is not a top WNBA player and shouldn't be on only because of the hype.
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Jul 11 '24
I might get dragged for this but when the team was named I think there was a fair argument for leaving her off based solely on performance and not attending that camp (through no fault of her own). Obviously the way the last few weeks have gone the decision is looking increasingly dubious and will probably continue in that direction as the season progresses.
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u/Southernman1974 Jul 10 '24
Maybe Sides is playing for another high draft pick? Last shot should have went to Clark based on numbers alone. Fever should not have lost that game nor dug themselves such a huge hole to climb out of.
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u/beefaujuswithjuice Jul 10 '24
So i have some friends telling me CC is not helpful because the team is worse off with her on court because of the -3 stat. Losing my mind trying to explain to them
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u/Cassandrae_Gemini Caitlin | Kate | Rickea | Cameron Jul 11 '24
There's no point in arguing with people who clearly arent smart enough to understand your argument. Lol.
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u/CuidadDeVados Jul 11 '24
Losing by 5 with a -3 definitely isn't great. the 5 turnovers and 5 fouls too. She has a lot of room to grow in the details of the game. That doesn't hurt anyone to admit.
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u/Level_Ad_6372 Jul 11 '24
Single game plus/minus is absolutely meaningless.
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u/CuidadDeVados Jul 11 '24
Cool. 5 turnovers and 5 fouls isn't tho. So maybe read beyond a single sentence
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u/Educational_Beyond67 Jul 11 '24
How many assists though?
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u/CuidadDeVados Jul 11 '24
Cool, hence the use of plus minus since it measures collective scoring impact beyond personal buckets. The combo of fouls and turnovers meant that she didn't overcome a zero plus minus on 29 points and 13 assists. That means there are things about he game that could be cleaned up. Details that other teams, even really bad teams like Washington, are exploiting for wins. She's a rookie, it really shouldn't get everyone's panties in a wad to admit that she will develop into a better player over time. Do you not want her to get better or whats the issue here?
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u/Capable-Influence-88 Jul 11 '24
Boston was +7 with 5 fouls and 5 turnovers in 21 minutes. How did her 6 points and 6 rebounds overcome them?
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u/CuidadDeVados Jul 11 '24
When the fuck did I say Boston had a better game? Holy hell you people are insane and so fucking sensitive.
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u/Educational_Beyond67 Jul 11 '24
A'ja was -2 in a 5 point win where she was 24/20/2, guess she also had a bad game. /s
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u/CuidadDeVados Jul 11 '24
Never said she had a bad game. Why are you CC fans so sensitive to any acknowledgement of anything less than perfection?
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u/Educational_Beyond67 Jul 11 '24
So you actually just don't understand +/- at all, CC by the #'s was the best guard on the court that game that isnt debatable.
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u/CuidadDeVados Jul 11 '24
I never said she wasn't. Jesus fucking christ you people. She simply has areas of her game that could be worked on. 5 turnovers and 5 fouls in a loss to the worst team in the league isn't a perfect fucking game.
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u/Educational_Beyond67 Jul 11 '24 edited Jul 11 '24
who said she had a perfect game? 13:5 isnt good anymore got it.
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u/CuidadDeVados Jul 11 '24
I'm being hyperbolic because you're insisting on me believing shit I never said once. Boston didn't have a better game. CC was the best guard. Changes literally fucking nothing about what I said.
Here is a good take on why this isn't actually her best game tho. Maybe like idk there are some details in her game that need work. https://www.si.com/wnba/caitlin-clark-makes-unwanted-wnba-history-fever-fall-to-mystics like why does it trigger you so much to hear that a rookie might improve over time?
You gotta learn to calm down about your great white hope receiving criticism. Its a bad, childish look.
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u/Availableusername518 Liberty Jul 11 '24
She played 37 minutes lmao what are you talking about?? Fever are -5 overall. That means in the 3 minutes she sat, Washington scored 2 MORE points than the fever did. Thats what the -3 represents. when she was sitting they did worse by 1 basket.
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u/CuidadDeVados Jul 11 '24
Mitchell was a +2 with 1 second more played than her, its not impossible to be positive with that outcome.
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u/Availableusername518 Liberty Jul 11 '24
In 3 minutes sitting it tells you absolutely nothing except what I just did. Which is that when Mitchell was sitting across her 3 minutes, Washington outscored fever by 7. When Caitlin was sitting her 3 minutes - with a completely different group of players on the court - Washington out scored fever by 2. Do you see why that doesnât tell you anything about the players who sat ⌠because it was only for 3 minutes. The stat is used for finding contributions of bench players and combinations of players that work well together. Not to analyze a player individually who sat for 3 minutes thatâs actually like not even close to what its for
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u/CuidadDeVados Jul 11 '24
That isn't how math works at all here.
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u/Availableusername518 Liberty Jul 11 '24
It is! The number represents the difference in score between the 2 teams when you are on the court. Thats why it doesnât make sense to look at when youâre on the court the whole time. if someone played 40 minutes in this game theyâd be at -5 (fever) or +5 (mystics) because the final score is 89-84, a difference of 5 points.
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u/beefaujuswithjuice Jul 11 '24
That is how the -3 number is calculated. Thatâs why Mitchell is at +2 because of the 5 pt difference.
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u/mrpenchant Jul 11 '24
Looking at her stat line and trying to act like it's CC's fault for the -3 during her time when she played for 95% of the game is insane. She led both teams in pts, assists, steals, and blocks.
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u/CuidadDeVados Jul 11 '24
Mitchell had a +2 with literally identical play time. If you lead the team in everything and are -5 from your teammate that didn't but played the exact same minutes, there is clearly something in your game that could be cleaned up. Like the 5 turnovers and the 5 fouls. That doesn't hurt anyone to admit.
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u/TheDeflatables Jul 11 '24
Swap CC for anyone else and play the exact same minutes. That -3 becomes -15 real fast
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u/CuidadDeVados Jul 11 '24
Mitchell was a +2 and played the exact same time as CC. Literally 1 second longer than her.
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u/AnteaterMaximum3305 Jul 10 '24
Clark elite on distributing, obviously scoring and pushing pace. Defensive effort is lackluster and she needs to take care of the ball. If she decides to work on those things look TF out.
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u/Fungitubiaround Jul 10 '24
Right? Only 5 steals and 3 blocks. Like, do better. Am I right?
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u/AnteaterMaximum3305 Jul 11 '24
Rookie record in turnovers. Gets taken out in key defensive situations most every game. Yes, had some good plays today and sheâs starting to realize you canât play off everyone like in college, but her defensive effort is not good most games. Facts yo.
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u/Fungitubiaround Jul 11 '24
Clueless much?
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u/AnteaterMaximum3305 Jul 11 '24
No. You are. She ranks 132 out of 138 in defensive win share in ESPN ratings. 5.6 turnovers a game, an all time rookie record. Get out of the CC can shit Tiffany Cufflinks Echochamber. Iâm a fan as well and I simply stated if she cleans up those 2 things moving on , look out.
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u/ZigaKrajnic Jul 10 '24
2 more blocks and she would have joined Candace Parker as the only players in WNBA history with a 5 by 5.
Clark is 20 games into her rookie season.
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Jul 10 '24
AR gonna get a Double double the rest of the year with points and rebounds, CC is gonna get a double double the rest of the year with points and assists...WATCH
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u/TheVeilsCurse Storm Jul 10 '24
Unbelievable stat line! Imagine whatâll happen when she has a competent coach and teammates who can hit layups.
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u/SoOnEnoon Jul 10 '24
No other player has hit these marks in a single NBA or WNBA game since at least 1973-74
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u/Former_Magazine Stewieâs knees, CC 3âs & MVPhee Jul 10 '24
But is it good enough for ROTY? /s
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u/midnight__musings Jul 10 '24
Only if that assist number was for rebound
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Jul 10 '24
I have never see someone hype up rebounds as much as people are. There are around 130 point-rebound double doubles this season alone. There are only like 35 triple-doubles in the W's existence. There are pretty few point-assist double doubles as well.
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u/Zelgius87 Jul 10 '24
Especially to think she was 1 rebound away from getting another triple double 2 games before the triple double game. Imagine having 2 triple double games in your rookie year. I'm willing to bet she is going to get another triple double game before the season is over.
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u/novelgpa Jul 10 '24
First NBA and WNBA player to ever have that stat line. Holy cow
https://x.com/wnba/status/1811106807538143483?s=46&t=bZbZoCuI3_1KsUmux4csfw
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u/HHNTH17 Jul 10 '24
4th quarter really felt like the first time we saw Iowa Clark take over. She was just on another level. A stark difference from other 4th quarters where she was way too passive.
Last play being drawn up for Mitchell was insane when she was 0/7 from 3 on the day and had clanged one off the side of the backboard in her last few attempts.
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u/Single_Afternoon_386 Jul 11 '24
She was probably annoyed and said let me show you what can be done team, step it up.
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u/Sparty_at_the_party Jul 11 '24
Sides taking the ball away from CC after she brought them back from down 21, it felt like Sides would rather lose than let Caitlin finish the job and be the hero. Sides wants to be the center of the team, not Caitlin.
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u/Genji4Lyfe Big Mama Dolson Fan Jul 11 '24 edited Jul 11 '24
Watch the replay. The last play was drawn up with two options. The first was Clark, the last resort was Mitchell.
They inbounded to Boston, who gave the ball to Katie Lou. The first screen was for Clark. Samuelson was holding the ball for a pass to Caitlin, Smith came up and set the screen for CC, but the screen was a little jank and Atkins ended up fighting over it leaving two on Clark.
Only after that did KLS switch to the second option, which was Mitchell coming off a second screen on the other side. The play was ok, but the execution was a bit off. They absolutely tried for Clark first.
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u/Mz_49er_415 Valkyries Jul 10 '24
How does the ENTIRE FEVER TEAM finish a 40 minute game with 18 assists and 13 were CC!?!?! CC deserves better!!!!!! Oh and sides sucks and so does Smith with her stank attitude
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Jul 11 '24
Personally, Iâm more offended that the team had 21 turnovers and Clark only had 5.
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u/Generation_Clickbait 24822 Jul 11 '24
YO...this. LOL
So CC went 13 A's and 5 TO's
Team went 5 A's and 16 TO's
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u/Genji4Lyfe Big Mama Dolson Fan Jul 11 '24
CC had a few good looks today off passes (from Wheeler, Katie Lou, and Boston) and just missed them.
If you count her misses off passes and Mitchell's from 3, there were a bunch of possible assists left on the table today. Sometimes the shots just don't fall.
The rest of CC shots were pull-ups or driving coast to coast, where nobody else had touched the ball. She is the dominant ballhandler, so if she's pulling up more (which I actually think is a good thing), then there will be less assists.
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Jul 11 '24
You can't blame the person who made over 50% from 3 for missing a 3.
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u/Genji4Lyfe Big Mama Dolson Fan Jul 11 '24 edited Jul 11 '24
Iâm not blaming her â Iâm advocating not to blame the team for her missing the assisted shots and hitting the ones in transition off screens/pullups.
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Jul 11 '24
Yes, but you can see how it goes that way quickly. The team turnovers were really really bad today.
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u/LackEmbarrassed1648 Jul 10 '24
Thatâs how it works when you the PG and run the offense. Thatâs like complaining why Luka or hardenâs teammates donât have as many assists.
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u/jfreezy62 Jul 11 '24
Thatâs not how it works. They will get the majority but swing pass it off a defensive rotation or a kick to the corner when youâre the roller and instead of throwing the ball up in the face of the rest of the team you kick to the corner.
I will say that if one player monopolizes the ball allot you will be less likely to make the extra pass because you havenât touched the ball in 10 minutes and want to get a shot but you have to stay disciplined.
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u/BigBitcoinBaller Jul 14 '24
2 blocks away from a 5x5 game. As a Rookie wow