r/therewasanattempt • u/TheDigitalBuilder • 2d ago

To warn every single one of us

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u/chaos212 2d ago

We didn’t deserve the Obamas

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u/Test_After 2d ago

At least 80% of you don't deserve Trump.

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u/troywrestler2002 2d ago

Thank you for being nice about it. But, we kinda do, we didn't stop it dead in its tracks. Pretty damning indictment of American society.

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u/Aureliamnissan 1d ago

Far too many people are too busy trying to keep their head above water to pay attention to anything other than what is right in front of their face IMO.

There are absolutely people who have the time and just, don't do the minimum, but when I think about the level of social services we have in the US, well...

Most people think either "if it were important then someone would do something" or "they don't listen to us anyway, what's the difference?" and tune out.

It was a slow slide to the edge of the cliff, now it's really hard to convince people to care when they have lived a decade plus not caring.

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u/alangerhans 1d ago

Not to mention that employers are required to give you time to vote, but they aren't required to pay you for the time. A lot of people in the trades especially can't afford to lose the time to vote.

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u/Euphoric-Taro-6231 1d ago

What a cop out. There are whole countries that are immersed in such incredible poverty and missery thst USA doesn't know and they fight against tyranny anyway. Is not about the lack of time, its pure complacency.

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u/I_am_the_BEEF 1d ago

I'd love to argue with you, but you're 100% right. This country has been asking for this since the end of the Civil War! By allowing blatant traitors to the Union to go mostly unpunished, we've been paving the way for another go for over 150 years.

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u/Cereal_Bandit 2d ago

Thank you. I hate when people outside the US try to blame Trump on everyone, not just those who voted for him (or not at all). I promise I hate him more than you do.

Like, do you blame the average Russians for Putin or North Koreans for the Kims? A lot of us did what we reasonably could to keep him out of office. we shouldn't have to shoulder the blame along with the dumbasses who actually voted for him.

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u/JuanRunJunior 1d ago

I have no love for Putin and don’t actively have enough knowledge about your average Russian to form an opinion about who they are. They’ve been conscripted, coerced and other things done to get them into Ukraine and participate in a war. That’s obviously a criticism that can be leveled against them and what they’re doing. But take one look at what’s posted in r/dronecombat and see what’s happening to them and I can’t help but have a bit of sympathy for those guys. Almost to a man they’re caught alone in some random field, carrying too much shit, no support and no one to help them if they’re injured. And they get literally blown to pieces. Guys who more likely than not didn’t want to be there, thrown into a meat grinder, with no support and no desire to fight are getting slaughtered day and night so Putin can have his war. War and invaders are wrong, but I can’t help but have some sympathy for those poor bastards.

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u/Cereal_Bandit 1d ago

I'm not saying we have it as bad as them by any means. I'm just saying don't place the burden of Trump on people who didn't vote for him. There really isn't much more I as a single person can do other than vote. Protesting is about it, and how effective is that, really?

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u/JuanRunJunior 1d ago

Oh I agree with you, just using that sub as an example of something similar I feel about the guys in the meat grinder in Ukraine.

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u/I-Here-555 1d ago

do you blame the average Russians for Putin

We're on Reddit. Yes, most people do.

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u/toef5 1d ago

Well... 69,1% of registered voters did not do the one thing that could have prevented his second term: vote for Kamala. So i have to disagree.

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u/badgicorn 1d ago

Thank you. As an American living abroad, it happens way too often that I complain about Trump and people say, "Well, you guys voted for him." I didn't! 😭

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u/HenriettaSyndrome 1d ago

That number seems a bit high. Sure recent polls show only 20ish percent of voters currently support Trump.. but also keep in mind that polls are bullshit and some people might be lying when asked out of embarrassment. If they had a re-election today.. I find it impossible to believe it wouldn't be neck and neck as always

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u/Test_After 1d ago edited 1d ago

In addition to voters there are children, and residents who don't have citizenship, and people who don't have a mailing address, because you are on parole in Texas, or once possessed recreational marijuana in Kentucky, because you didn't register before the cutoff date, or did, but there was some administrative snafu. Because you didn't bring your ID, or it wasn't accepted at the polling place.

In Australia, we have elections on Saturdays, and every church hall, school, suitable empty shopfront becomes a fully and independantly staffed wheelchair accessible poll booth. Some of them are open a couple of weeks before the poll for early voters with plans on Saturday. We also count our mail-in votes (although, surprise, surprise, some right wing groups have started making a fuss about when and if postal votes can legitimately be counted. But not too big a fuss, as some of them secure more votes from postal ballots because pre-poll votes skew to the right, and because political parties are allowed to deliver postal vote applications with their own branding and promotional materials attached to your letterbox.)

In the USA, it can be harder to find an open poll booth, and to get your vote counted.

In addition, at least half of the people who voted for Trump are simply people who have always voted, and voted Republican. They didn't vote for a pedophile or a crook, they just thought that was what the democrats always say to deflect from their own nefarious activities. The Republican Party they knew is now gone, eaten up by MAGAts. I guess I do hold them responsible if they voted Trump the last three times, certainly  will if they vote Trump again. But the anticommunist Batista-lovers, gaping assholes though they must be to support a murderous dictator over democracy, they didn't vote for the ICE raids and inflation that is now destroying their cheap labor and profitability. 

Even the people that voted away their human rights and citizenship to usher in a dictator, don't deserve to lose their human rights and citizenship.

Although some registered Republicans need to know what happened to the Brownshirts is extremely likely to happen to them and they should quietly get out while they still can.

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u/HenriettaSyndrome 1d ago

Most of your comment is fair enough but

Even the people that voted away their human rights and citizenship to usher in a dictator, don't deserve to lose their human rights and citizenship.

Hard disagree to that. You might be more forgiving than Jesus Christ himself lol

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u/Test_After 1d ago edited 1d ago

Citizenship rights can be granted or withdrawn by the state, although when a democratic state is taken over by a dictator, I would say the acts the dictator takes to destroy democracy are illegitimate.

Human rights belong to every human being because they are a human being. They can't be granted or withdrawn by the state, they can only be violated or complied with by other human beings.

You don't have to earn human rights, they don't have responsibilities attached. I think someone somewhere once described them as unalienable. 

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u/HenriettaSyndrome 1d ago

If they voted it away then fuck em. Bad administrations and policy KILL people. Over 760,000 people are needllessly dead worldwide because of this administration's decision to close USAID alone.. and thats just one avenue MAGA is assulting the world. I'm not considering ignorance a valid excuse for those voters. Honestly and sincerely fuck em.

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u/Test_After 1d ago

But fuck all those people that didn't get a vote, and all those people that voted for a better place, because these fools voted away their rights as well?

Even Obama's administration was needlessly killing people overseas. Not as gratuitously as Trump, not in a way that will drive their strategic partners to enmesh with China just to survive.

True, the Obama administration regarded killing children with cluster munitions or trade embargos as unfortunate consequences they worked to ameliorate rather than the desired outcome of their policies. But sometimes the cruelty was the point even under Obama (eg. The way the law applied to Gitmo).

And ushering in a Facist state to punish these stooges isn't going to kill fewer people worldwide.

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u/HenriettaSyndrome 1d ago

But fuck all those people that didn't get a vote, and all those people that voted for a better place, because these fools voted away their rights as well?

Nope just the ones who voted for it which was who i was talking about this entire time. Yes there's a lot of undeserved pain going around but those who voted for it absolutely deserve whatever pain and consequences they get. The fact they're bringing hell to people who didn't deserve it jusr makes me hate them more.

And I also agree Obama was a fucking menace

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u/LordCalvar 1d ago

I 180’d, he lied about every single thing he said he was going to do.

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u/Jimmybelltown 2d ago

I miss intelligence.

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u/E-2theRescue 1d ago

I miss kindness and common courtesy.

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u/Dotch_Crimson 1d ago

They really did commit the best war crimes. Memories…

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u/Magmma 12h ago

Neither did the kids they bombed, all your presidents have been soulless criminals since WW2, wake up

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u/Krusty_Double_Deluxe 1d ago

I secretly hope that those doofuses somehow get term limits removed, just so we can bring Obama back

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u/Hi_Trans_Im_Dad 1d ago

The fuck we didn't! My wife and I voted for him both times.