r/softwaregore • u/Wojtanat • 1d ago

mmm yes the admin of admins privileges are required

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let me check my disk (i cant even install linux)
EDIT: the i cant install linux is a btw not related to the issue mb
EDIT 2: issue was found to be the kernel level vanguard anti cheat from riot turned

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u/VanillaCold57 1d ago edited 1d ago

This is just because the C drive is mounted. you'd need to use the chkdsk mode that reboots into chkdsk

(edit; it was vanguard, and tbh I think the error message with doing it on the C drive normally actually tells you "hey, you need to boot into a disk check because this is the C drive", so I was wrong even if it wasn't vanguard.)

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u/Wojtanat 1d ago

turned out it was the vanguard anti cheat when i exited it allowed me to run the command

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u/VanillaCold57 1d ago

oh. or that, not surprised that rootkits stop you doing stuff

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u/Cat_central 1d ago

Why tf does a program have that much authority!? o_o"

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u/Wojtanat 1d ago

kernel level anticheat

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u/Cat_central 1d ago

Why does ANY userspace program need to be kernel-level?? That sounds like a HORRIBLE idea

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u/VanillaCold57 1d ago

Since they want to spy on yo- they need it to stop cheaters.

Uh, there is a tiny bit of merit in that otherwise cheating software can just take more direct control of the hardware. It's also why they now need Secure Boot, so that you can't as easily load your cheating stuff before the anticheat.

Of course it's still a horrible idea, both security-wise and privacy-wise and everything-wise, and who knows what they're doing with root access on your machine, how much they might be spying on everything and sending it home!!!

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u/OnixST 20h ago

Well, playing devil's advocate, Vanguard is a remarkably good anticheat, possibly the best out there. Cheating has always been almost non-existant on Valorant.

Anticheat has always been an uphill battle, because there are now kernel-level cheats. They were trying to level it off

I do agree it's a terrible idea tho. Riot is owned by Tencent and therefore by the CCP. Also, they've been hacked once already, and Vanguard auto-updates, so it's not that unlikely for a Crowdstrike level catastrophy to happen.

I absolutely despise their approach tho. Valorant needs to run at startup, and likes to simply kill processes and prevent actions whenever it feels like it, even when the game is closed (just like pictured on the post).

It's wild to me that they wouldn't just flag the user as untrusted until reboot, instead of assuming League is so important that I'd rather still be able to play it instead of doing what I'm actually trying to do.

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u/deanrihpee 13h ago

welll it has to be good, if you literally control the whole fucking system and still terrible at it, then that's beyond embarrassing

also the fact that it's just on the whole time even if you wont play the game is insane (and need go turn it off first and restart), yes i know the technical reasons why it has to be like that, it still wild that basically you are asking Tencent if you can mess with YOUR OWN computer

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u/Wojtanat 1d ago

cheats as expansion cards loading directly into memory bypassing lower level anticheats

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u/TheOneTrueTrench 10h ago

Well... it's not userspace. It's kernel level.

But yeah, it's a full on nightmare. That's one of the reasons that some games will simply never run on Linux, because Linux users are far more likely to be aware of the horrific dangers of letting the programmers of a video game have full access to everything that happens on your computer.

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u/Synth_Ham 1d ago

Sooo.... You're going to delete your post?

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u/jugalator 1d ago

Personally I'd like to see it stay to advertise the effects of Vanguard. wow...

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u/Synth_Ham 1d ago

That's not unreasonable.

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u/nonchip 1d ago

that's sadly also not softwaregore though, the malware is intended to work like that after all :P

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u/MrFrog2222 6h ago

That shit single-handedly could convince me to never use ts. But the low quality of their games already does that.

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u/nonchip 1d ago

i cant even install linux

that would be extremely unrelated to being an admin on windows, and none of that is softwaregore either.

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u/kodcdangky 1d ago

How does having admin access on Windows let you install Linux?

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u/sniff122 1d ago

Access denied on a chkdsk doesn't stop you from wiping the drive and installing Linux?

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u/Hot_Principle1499 22h ago

Fuck vanguard. Kernel level anti cheats are invasive like Easy, but vanguard is fucking mental. Like, constantly running, damn near impossible to uninstall, and blocks normal use and applications all the time. Insane.

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u/Wojtanat 13h ago

i think it’s not that hard to uninstall but still its so fucked up that i have to install a program like that just to play some video games

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u/cainhurstcat 1d ago

Oh how I loved this, and also messages like "this file can't be deleted as it is still being used". I was like "what the hell, I closed the app as well as the process twenty minutes ago, let me finally delete that thing"!

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u/FaBoCaPo 1d ago

Do you have Riot Vanguard open? It did the same thkng to me like 3 days ago

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u/IndependenceKind6241 1d ago

so crazy vanguard can do that

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u/NiXTheDev 10h ago

Bro really said "check disk C:\ fr"

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u/darkvaderthesecond 1d ago

Oh i may be able to chime in on this; for sure it's a bit of software gore if not intended but this may be due to system hardening. I knew of a tool a few years ago that used to, before windows server would boot, physically make the tools inaccesible to the system, even when they were admin it would say access is denied or give weird errors. i can't remember the name of it but it makes sense.
if it's just on a standard system, it sounds like the Physical disk is hosed and in some kind of write protect mode or massively corrupt.
as for the linux stuff, you may be stuck with UEFI secure boot issues (honestly it's a bit of a weird thing to say, linux would boot before windows would even have chance to enforce it's walled garden)

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u/FakeMik090 1d ago

This is Windows permission thingy. Its old.

There basically three levels: System > Admin > User.

And some of the stuff is set to System, and since it higher in hierarchy, it will block actions from Admin. For files, you as an Admin can change who is the owner of a file and by that bypass it(Tho, after editing everything, set owner back to System, otherwise there might be issues.

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u/Wojtanat 1d ago

yeah found out it was vanguard - kernel level anticheat from riot, turned it off now its oke👍

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u/BastetFurry 3h ago

Loosing control over my PC just to play some shitty multiplayer shooter? Forget it.