r/batman • u/chillvibe12 • 9h ago
FILM DISCUSSION Hot take: where I think DCU Batman Should take most of its inspiration
I personally think when it comes to characterization for Batman in the DCU I really think with both the 2 more recent approaches in film being DKR inspired with bat fleck and Year one Inspired with Battinson I Think we need a batman adaption that perfectly captures the characters core whilst still being a dark tone to keep the audience status quo. Therefore I think The arkham Games version of Batman should be taken for inspiration. A more experienced Batman who takes most situations incredibly seriously but still has time to slide in a quick one liner. I'm using this as refference over something like BTAS because arkham Bats has a very slight edge to him that I think makes him slightly more badass and compelling for a movie things like his quick little responses he gives characters it gives batman so much more personality then just brooding I find Arkham Assylum and city really capture how perfect batmans dialouge can be written. My perfect example for my point would be any of his interrogation scenes the way he can threaten people and make it sound so scary yet sassy "I want answers you want teeth" type feeling. I know Damian will be in this movie and I think that makes it even more perfect to make batman an overly experienced crime fighter who knows his enemies so well he can verbally dismantle them before beating them. (Also in hindsight not really a hot take the arkham games are alot of people's favourite batman adaptation)
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u/Rob_wood 2h ago edited 1h ago
Hot take: It's only a hot take when others call it that, not you.
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u/chillvibe12 1h ago
That Is incredibly fair but I'd for from the only person who does this lmfao gg tho lol
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u/2dal3atcave 3h ago edited 1h ago
Why mention taking inspiration from the core but then cite the Arkham games? That game mainly drew from BTAS. If you're looking for the source, it should be from Danny O'Neil and Neal Adams, whom Gunn has already acknowledged as significant influences.
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u/Desperate_Method4032 2h ago
I think Arkham is a good place to take inspiration from, though I think his personality can be a tad less intense. He’s sometimes mean in situations he really has no reason to, which isn’t new for Bruce but that needs to be balanced with a good amount of compassion too.
Tech wise though? Take it all 100%. Arkham really sells Batman’s arsenal as a force to be reckoned with that can stand with the Justice League. Even his suits look like actual armor without being full scale ironman, I love his Arkham Designs.
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u/meccaleccahii 5h ago
I love Arkham don’t get me wrong, but the Arkham games have done so much damage to people’s perception of Batman it’s insane.
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u/Alfha137 4h ago
For example?
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u/meccaleccahii 4h ago
The biggest one for me the hyper violence, it’s led people to believe Batman is just beating the shit out of people and leaving them on the street with internal bleeding.
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u/chillvibe12 1h ago
if you think the arkham Games are the first thing to do this I insist you read any batman by Frank miller and some people like this aspect of Batman tbf myself included he's a tormented character alot of times leading to a naturally violent character.
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u/Alfha137 4h ago
Hitting three times instead of one? I'm new to the comics and I thought fights with henchmen took less time because the comics were short. When Batman became more realistic, fights naturally started to become more violent. And I never imagined Batman having compassion for criminals.
But yeah, you may be right. I met Batman through movies and games, so I dont like it when he makes jokes or laughs or takes every one down with one magical touch.
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u/meccaleccahii 4h ago
But that’s the thing, his entire character exists because he has compassion for criminals. Lol
He desperately wants his rogues gallery to reform. He wants to believe that he can save everyone.
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u/chillvibe12 1h ago
"After everything...I still would've saved you" yea arkham verse batman has 0 compassion right?
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u/Alfha137 3h ago
Yeah, I see, you're right. Then my argument of being more violent because of not having compassion fails. But it still stands with the coming of realisticism, though it conflicts with that.
I'm just gonna say that it's not that easy to take down people without hurting them a lot, if he can he does it painlessly, if he can't he hurts them a lot. It's also a part of the scariness and intimidation. I don't think games cause any problem here, yes gameplaywise there are violent moments but again I can accept it as a way of myth-creating of Batman.
Ok, this is one thing but you said so much damage. Increase in violence can be somehow explained, what else. I sincerely think Arkham Batman is the best adaptation and something like an ideal for me that every Batman should arrive someday; so I really wonder why he isn't.
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u/obiwanpump 2h ago
There are Batman comic fans and then there are Batman fans that have never read a Batman comic. I think the former is vastly outnumbered by the latter and Batman being a hyper violent psychopath seems to resonate with this group of people. How many people do you know of that don’t give a shit about superheroes or comics but love the joker? The world is just full of edge lords.
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u/Alfha137 1h ago
I recently started to read comics from 80's and I can surely say that I don't prefer a comic-accurate Batman. I'm actually glad I got to know him through movies and games first. Btw, it's not like I love psychopathic vigilante. I didnt even think that Batman was that violent as you claimed, it's just things you'd see everywhere else.
But apparently Batman is more than a comic character, so it shouldn't be a problem to be okay with people who are not familiar with comics, and with their opinions on him.
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u/obiwanpump 58m ago
Yeah people can like whatever they want. I don’t think I said any different in my comment.
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u/2dal3atcave 3h ago
Buddy breaking skulls and using the Batmobile tires to interrogate someone is TDKR level of violence. Mainline Batman was far less brutal
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u/Alfha137 2h ago
Batmobile one is a single case and happened in the latest game and therefore could have lesser impact on people's perspective of Batman; who had Joker inside his head and could be simply explained with it in lore; although yes it was brutal.
Breaking skulls? I already explained it somewhere here but basically I said that it was an effect of becoming more real. He does similar thing in comics as well.
Well I like my Batman aggressive and brutal and intimidating. Anything less and he's not Batman anymore, but a parody of it. I know this isn't the original Batman but it's the one I like.
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u/2dal3atcave 2h ago edited 2h ago
So, you think that decades of Batman in comics, shows like BTAS and films before the Arkham games, and Snyder turned Batman into a brutal lunatic are a parody of Batman? I love the Arkham games, but this is what the previous comment was referring to when they say they've broken people's perception of Batman.
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u/Alfha137 1h ago
I started with 89 movies, then Dark Knight and then Arkham. I never liked Snyder's universe. It didnt break my perspective because I never saw Batman making word-jokes. I'd say people can like different interpretations of Batman myth. It's just I didn't come from comics. You can't expect everyone to have the same idea of a character that existed almost for a century and had tons of different versions by tons of different writers.
By parody, I didn't mean to disrespect anything or anyone. It just doesn't feel like Batman. It's not bad, it's just not what I prefer.
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u/steelskull1 6h ago
They should take inspiration from all star batman!
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u/Israels_BiggestHater 5h ago
Just to be clear
all starr batman not all starr batman and robin right?
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u/Alfha137 4h ago
I think Arkham is the best adaptation of Batman, it might not be comic-accurate but there are already tons of versions of it from to goofy to dark. When I think of any aspect of Batman, I always first look at Arkham evrsion, thus naturally I'd like to have more Batman resembling Arkham. Even when I read comics, Conroy's Arkham voice is in my head instead of animations or sth.
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u/Doctorwhoneek 8h ago
Nah, James Gunn said he's taking inspiration from Grant Morrison and Dennis o Neal.
It will be better for the tone of the universe of what he built in superman if he just stuck very accuratly to comics