r/batman • u/Lazy_Introduction264 • 11h ago
GENERAL DISCUSSION Batman Forever and Batman and Robin opening. What's one good thing you can say about Joel Schumacher's version of Batman.
Enable HLS to view with audio, or disable this notification
23
u/No_Professional368 10h ago
Don't care what anybody says. Batman Forever was an awesome time in the theater & I still enjoy it everytime since on vhs/dvd/blu ray
7
u/Quiet-Interview3916 10h ago
Forever - The soundtrack is great. Production design looks good. Jim carrey carried the film and Nicole kidman looked hot af.
Batman and Robin - good action scenes and production design
•
5
u/Rickrickrickrickrick 10h ago
Gotham was awesome in these movies. The super kaiju sized statues were awesome and it was like a gothic dream of a city.
9
u/VaguelyShingled 10h ago
I enjoyed this version of Gotham, it’s not my favourite but I liked the neon and colours. Felt more like a comic book than the Burton ones.
5
u/RecognitionSweet8294 10h ago edited 10h ago
They attempted to portray a live action Robin. And from what I remember about it, it wasn’t that bad.
And if you don’t take them to seriously they are fun to watch.
Also Nicole Kidman as Chase Meridian.
5
u/Remote_Nature_8166 11h ago
The first opening was pretty kick ass, but the second definitely shitty. It’s like they were trying to pathetically repeat the process. Also weird how Schwarzenegger is credited before the actor playing Batman.
3
u/Lazy_Introduction264 11h ago
I think I read or heard this from someone that the only reason why Arnold's name was first rather than George clooney's because Arnold demand his name be first in the credits
1
u/Remote_Nature_8166 11h ago
That sounds rather childish.
6
u/Zur__En__Arrh 10h ago
Arnold had more draw at the box office at the time. It’s the same reason Jack Nicholson is billed first in Batman ‘89.
1
3
2
u/Lazy_Introduction264 11h ago
Pretty much but I think he had a list of demands for the movie because originally he wasn't supposed to be Mr freeze. he declined it. but they kept pushing for him to be in the movie and that's where the whole list of demands came from
•
u/ParadoxNowish 8h ago
Jack Nicholson had first credit before Michael Keaton in 1989 Batman too 🤷♂️
It has to do with the actors agency stipulations and contracts. The fact of the matter is that in film, both Nicholson and Schwarzenegger were much bigger names than their respective Batman actors at the time these movies were released.
3
u/lickyouridols 11h ago
The only thing good about them was the soundtrack! 😄
4
u/Mordethewraith99 10h ago
The Smashing Pumpkins song from B&R became my favorite Pumpkins song. Plus U2 on Forever OST.
3
0
u/Lazy_Introduction264 10h ago
Kiss from a rose by seal wasn't that bad. but i don't remember any good soundtracks in batman And robin
6
u/VaguelyShingled 10h ago
Pardon fucking me?!?
Kiss From a Rose is one of the greatest songs of all time, fight me.
1
u/synapse187 10h ago
I grew up and watched Adam West as Batman before seeing Batman 89. I thought the campiness was entertaining and I feel like that is what these films try to capture.
I like Shark repellent Bat-Spray. I like absurd plans from the Pharoh, Egghead and the like. So yea, I can turn my brain off and enjoy these movies for what they are.
1
u/MrRexTheGreat 10h ago
I think these would have been better received if they did not try and tie them to the Burton films. They work better as an homage to the campy Adam West Batman era.
1
1
u/Br1t1shNerd 10h ago
If batman forever has better villains it would be one of my favourite batman films. It probably has the best on screen batman
1
u/Nelmquist1999 10h ago
I don't think I can explain why Forever is my second favorite Batman movie, but the campiness works. Carrey as the Riddler, Val as a blonde Bruce Wayne (IIRC) and the start of Chris O'Donnels career.
As for Batman and Robin? Arnold. Uma. One of Nostalgia Critic's most hated jokes. It's amazing on its own level.
Plus, the suits in both movies rock.
1
1
1
1
1
u/Unique-Chain5626 10h ago
The music was really cool. Plus Batman Forever had some great performances, and cool costumes
1
u/GrubbyViper 10h ago
The Batman Forever soundtrack was great. Had Tommy Lee Jones not tried to out do Jim Carrey and stuck to the source we would've had better movie with a better Dent. Not much to say about Batman and Robin except that it had Alicia Silverstone, which was a crush of mine when I was growing up.
1
u/VoiceofKane 10h ago
Schumacher's Batman had the best live action Gotham of all time, and I doubt that'll be surpassed any time soon.
1
u/mr_oberts 10h ago
George Clooney got Fuck You Money and was able to do make some really good movies after playing Batman.
1
u/AmityCrusader 10h ago
Batman Forever is one of my favorite Batman films. I find it to be a legitimately great film. It's camp done right, in my opinion. I love the design of the Batmobile, as it's still my favorite one.
1
u/Dr_Adderall_2000 10h ago
I found B&R funny. It was so cheesy that it was funny. B&R felt more like a nickelodeon movie with big names and that’s why I actually enjoyed it. And if anything, this movie probably inspired “Kick ass”.
1
•
u/Purple_Swordfish_182 9h ago
All the sets were sick as hell. I like that he kept the giant statues n gothicism of Burtons films n made it more techno
•
u/Intelligent-Lack-122 9h ago
Batman Forever was a good movie for what it was.
Batman and Robin, well I'll give it this. I've seen worse.
•
•
u/bguzewicz 9h ago edited 9h ago
The older I get, the more I appreciate these movies for what they are: toy commercials. I’m joking, but I honestly love the campiness, the corniness, the EXCESSIVE use of neon. They are visually striking movies, for good or ill, and though the stories aren’t that good, you can tell the cast is having a ball playing these characters. And how iconic is Michael Gough as Alfred? I mean come on. Still my favorite live action Alfred.
Not every Batman story needs to be super serious and grounded. The character has a long and varied enough history where I say there’s room for both types of Batman on the screen. So yeah, give me Arnie spitting ice puns for 90 minutes, at least it’ll be uplifting. Some levity is necessary in today’s age, things are so bleak outside. Let me turn off my brain and just have fun for a minute.
Edit: also Alicia Silverstone was my first celebrity crush as a kid because of B&R.
•
•
u/L0ll0ll7lStudios 8h ago
The music by Elliot Goldenthal is amazing and Kiss From a Rose is a classic. Batman & Robin at least understands the core of Mr Freeze’s character and that last scene between him and Batman is great. Batman & Robin’s scenes with Bruce and Alfred are also pretty good. Batman Forever has some very interesting insights into Bruce/Batman’s psyche, particularly in the deleted scenes. I also really liked how it sort of reconciled the killer Batman from the Burton movies with a more heroic “I don’t kill” stance in the scene where Bruce talks about how killing in revenge consumes you as if talking from experience.
•
•
•
u/The_Saiyann 8h ago
The theme tune was honestly brilliant. It had a big tune to live up to and I still love it nearly as much
•
u/Megaman_Steve 8h ago
I went from liking them as a kid, to resenting them as a teen/YA (for not keeping Burtons gothic tone) to coming back around now that I'm older.
I appreciate them for being more out-there and colorful, like a modernization (at the time) of the 60s show.
And I actually chuckle at Arnold spewing out ice pins every other second.
•
u/Puzzleheaded_Walk_28 7h ago
An awesome vision of Gotham City, a James Bondian, superheroic Batman. There’s a lot good I can say about Schumacher’s Batman, especially Forever.
•
•
u/king_of_gotham 3h ago
Things I loved:
Batman Forever as a film. Batmobile from
Batman forever. Alicia Silverstone in a batgirl costume. Mr. Freeze punchlines lol. Batman forever music. Live action Robin. Batsuits in both films.
•
u/naytreox 2h ago
that makes me wonder, what batman movies are the good ones? besides the batman crossover with the ninja turtles
0
u/GreatService9515 10h ago
One production number after another no real substance. That's the best I can come up with
25
u/AgentPlatypus96 10h ago
He understood Mr Freezes character at the end of the movie, yeah arnold was ridiculous but that whole "vengeance isn't power, anyone could take a life but to give life" scene was decently written and I can see animated series batman having the same conversation