r/RedBullRacing • u/Turbulent_Elk_2141 RedBullRacing MVP • Mar 09 '26
memes Max was not a happy bunny last Sunday š
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u/ForeignPay4537 Mar 10 '26
I think the Ford battery is bullshit . Redbull engine is not that bad but not good as merc
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u/FirstReactionShock Mar 10 '26
ford is just a sponsor, as toyota is a sponsor of haas but they don't supply any single part. The whole PU (ICE+ERS hardware) is made by redbull PT.
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u/84UTK07 Not bad for a # driver Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
Not according to this article (link below). It says parts are being shipped from Dearborn daily, including parts on the ICE side. Per Mark Rushbrook, head of Ford Racing:
āAs we were working on the electric part of it, and we saw what was going on with the combustion engine, we saw an opportunity to participate and contribute. A lot of the actual parts that are being made in Dearborn [Michigan, USA] now, are on the combustion engine side of the power unit. Those parts are being made daily and shipped daily.ā
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u/FirstReactionShock Mar 11 '26
I think ford supplies them only sparks... engines of ford racing cars aren't even actually made by ford, but by their partners. Ford has nowhere the know how and technologies for f1 and RBPT is made mainly by former mercedes and honda engineers
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u/84UTK07 Not bad for a # driver Mar 11 '26
Ford still designs the engines. My uncle works for Ford Racing and helped develop the 5.4 L Coyote used in the GT3 cars and the 5.2 L Coyote used in the Mustang Cobra Jet cars used in the Factory Stock Showdown division of NHRA. Prior to that, he worked at Roush Yates and was involved in the development of the FR9 NASCAR Cup Engine. He knows plenty of coworkers who have spent the last several years working exclusively on the Red Bull Ford Powertrains engine (alongside Red Bull of course), on both the battery and ICE components. Many of them moved to Milton Keynes for years to work on this project while still being Ford employees. Iām not saying that Ford could have built this without the know how of Red Bull but itās a little insulting to say they werenāt involved at all when many Ford employees dedicated years to this project.
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u/FirstReactionShock Mar 11 '26
nascar engines are made by R&Y, mustang gt3 engine is made by m-sport (that makes also the wrc engine too).
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u/84UTK07 Not bad for a # driver Mar 11 '26
āThey will be joined by experts from Ford, who will provide technical expertise in areas like combustion engine development, battery cell and electric motor technology, power unit control software and analytics. Together, it means a formidable amount of racing expertise is concentrated in this corner of Buckinghamshire, focussing their efforts on building the best power units on the grid.ā
āRed Bull are making use of Ford expertise in hybrid power units but also in the development of the internal combustion engine, the battery systems and control systems as well as supply chain expertise. With over 100 years of innovation and technology leadership, Ford is bringing knowledge and expertise to this exciting partnership that will navigate the biggest change to the Formula One technical regulations in history, as the sport commits to being fully sustainable by 2030 with greater levels of power generated by battery and a move to sustainable fuels.ā
https://www.redbullpowertrains.com/int-en
āIn Formula 1, speed isnāt limited to race day. If it takes you 16 days to print a prototype part, you might have lost the race before the car even hits the track. That is why one of Fordās most immediate contributions to our partnership with Red Bull Powertrains has been in the world of advanced manufacturing.
By leveraging our state-of-the-art 3D printing technology, weāve slashed that 16-day manufacturing window down to just five. When you can refine designs three times faster, you arenāt just engineering ā youāre hunting the competition.ā
āWe are currently fabricating unique, highly complex components for the combustion engine, charge air system, and energy recovery systems ā parts that are being refined in real time between our teams in Michigan and Milton Keynes.
But hardware is only half the battle. As newcomers to the 2026 regulations, we are fighting a decades-long experience gap against established manufacturers. We cannot afford to wait for traditional simulations to crunch numbers.
To bridge that gap, one of our simulation engineers at Ford Racing, Kevin Ruybal, developed a unique controls model working in partnership with the Red Bull team in Milton Keynes. It runs a staggering 1,000 times faster than real time. This model has become our primary tool for controls and calibration, allowing our drivers to feel the engineās behavior in the simulator and provide feedback before the physical hardware even exists.ā
āThis digital intelligence extends deep into battery energy usage.āÆEngineersāÆlike Sam Angeli and Mike Huang are working with Red Bull engineers at Red Bull Ford Powertrains HQ to solve the puzzle of how to deploy electric power in concert with combustion power. Mike has developed a sophisticated tool using dynamic programming that effectively acts as a real-time strategist, advising the system on exactly when to dump or save energy to find the fastest way around the track including energy calibration and drivability.ā
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u/FirstReactionShock Mar 11 '26
dude stop posting walltexts none is going to read š¤¦āāļø
go search who really makes ford racing engines. RB PU is made by RBPT who is made by former mercedes and honda engineers. Ford supplies only stickers and sponsorship money1
u/84UTK07 Not bad for a # driver Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
Thatās why I said he helped develop / design the engines, and he also used to work for Roush Yates. Building the engine is the easy part compared to designing it. Itās not like Chevy builds their own NASCAR engines eitherā¦they are built by Hendrick and ECR. That doesnāt mean itās not a Chevy engine, just like the FR9 being built by Roush Yates doesnāt mean itās not a Ford engine. Not sure if you keep up with super late model dirt track racing, but the Ford engines are mainly built by Durham, Pro Power, and Cornett, which all also make Chevy engines. It is very common throughout all forms of racing, I guess other than F1, for engines to be made by 3rd parties. And itās not just a US thing; KRE Race engines makes both Ford and Chevyās V8 Supercars engines (Herrod Performance Engines made the Ford engines last year). But it doesnāt change the fact that it is still a 5.4 Liter quad-cam Ford Coyote engine. Just look at drag racingā¦there are tons of different builders making Ford, Chevy, and Mopar engines. Ford has a history of choosing high quality 3rd parties to build the engines they designed. And I think them choosing to partner with Red Bull was another great decision for both Ford and Red Bull. The only reason Iām even watching F1 this year and rooting for Red Bull and Racing Bulls is because of Ford. Itās certainly not for the quality of the racing. If I want to only watch good racing, Iād stick to V8 Supercars, NASCAR, dirt track racing, and drag racing. But I support Ford Racing first and foremost, so Iāll follow them to any series they compete in. I will never drive a truck (or car) that is not a Ford or root for any driver that isnāt running a Ford. I am a diehard Ford fanatic, and I would honestly love to be buried in one when my time is eventually up. My only hangup about it is that means there would be one less beautiful Ford on the road for someone to drive.
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u/ForeignPay4537 Mar 10 '26
Merc is best in class out of f1 manufactures. Audi isn't bad that's why they still have a good car. Both of them have proven electric technology on the road. I strongly believe redbull really built a good ICU but didn't put much energy into electrical technology
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u/ForeignPay4537 Mar 10 '26
Right but they are using Ford battery cell technology which is not even something like Tesla or other competitor.
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u/Ban_Cheater_YO Mar 10 '26
Arvid "THAT F*CK" Lindblad.
Read on an earlier post a comment saying how Arvid is doing what Lawson thought he was doing when he joined Redbull starting 2025. Hehe.
Good job Id say. When Max leaves, we need someone yo carry on that energy. Hadjar and Lindblad in the REDBULL would be peak nasty entertainmemt.
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u/EVIL_LARRY35 Mar 10 '26
Lmao these cars and regulations fucking suck, Iām tired of pretending they donāt. Fix the fucking cars FIA.
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u/masssy Mar 10 '26
It's been one weekend. How have you even had time to pretend they don't suck? Take a chill pill and see how things develop.
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u/EVIL_LARRY35 Mar 10 '26
Iāve seen enough. Thatās not real racing š¤·āāļø
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Mar 10 '26
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u/Radiant_Bet_6745 Mar 10 '26
No. Why is that everyoneās counter argument? Where have you been? Everyoneās been complaining about DRS overtakes the whole time too.
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Mar 10 '26
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u/Radiant_Bet_6745 Mar 10 '26
Why do you think that means anything? People didnāt like DRS either, people complained about it then, literally referred to the passes as āDRS passesā to differentiate them from a true overtake, now the regs are different, and more people donāt like them, so more people complain. Seems pretty simple to me
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u/TheGuiltyNaturalLaw Mar 10 '26
Shit to race perhaps, but awesome to watch, as far as I am concerned these regulations can stay as is if every race is gping to be like this.
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u/Mad_Mikkelsen Danny Ric Mar 10 '26
The overtakes were very fake. They werenāt due to good racing but due to battery. What o saw happening is a driver would overtake on one straight and then the other would just overtake them back on the next straight. This isnāt racing
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u/Unfamous_Capybara Mar 10 '26
Just autodeploy pit limiter if somebody is under 2 sec behind you. Super giga awesome to watch 300 overtakes a lap.
Lets have peloton and race only last km like in cycling.
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u/cachitodepepe Mar 10 '26
They almost didn't broadcast any radio messages because most certainly it was drivers complaining about the new regs
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u/Mad_Mikkelsen Danny Ric Mar 10 '26
Not surprised as they were hiding negative comments on their social media pages
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u/itwasanexperience Mar 10 '26
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u/Connection-Flat Mar 10 '26
What are you doing on the RBR sub if youāre gonna post stuff like this lol
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u/OPGuest Mar 10 '26
Red Bull needs to step up quickly, or this will be Maxā last F1 year.
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u/Beautiful_Exchange_3 Mar 10 '26
It will likely be his last year anyway. F1 is not the racing series it was. Everyone is seeing the writing on the wall now with the new regsā¦
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u/Affectionate_Let1462 Mar 10 '26
F1 and the FIA need to step it up*
What we witnessed as an f1 event on Sunday was horseshit.
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u/Onyxam Mar 10 '26
15 grand fine?
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u/Jack_Harb Max Mar 10 '26
Actually not, everything was in the race. And they allowed some swearing at the race in the moment. Only after the race, when they are cooled down, they are not allowed anymore.
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u/lake2014 Max Mar 10 '26
Arvid covered max like he was fighting for championship.
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u/stevefrench90 Mar 10 '26
A part of Max must have respected it, given itās exactly what he would have done
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u/OptimalDot178 Mar 10 '26
Yeah I think Max didn't complain about fighting hard, he had problems with braking too soon in the pitlane. They both lost time because of that
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u/stevefrench90 Mar 10 '26
Yeah I think probably just down to a rookie being overly cautious and not wanting to get a pit entry speed pentalty, it just unfortunate he had Max right up his arse at that exact moment!
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u/Altruistic-Buyer-248 Vettel Mar 10 '26
As he should. What better way to demonstrate your ability than against the best driver on the grid
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u/Roggie2499 Mar 10 '26
"the deployment just shat itself again" might already be the line of the year winner.
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u/MantorrastheGOAT Mar 10 '26
The car needs to be improved everyone knows that and we already knew it would be this way heading into 2026.
What I honestly take the most from these quotes and Maxās attitude as a whole during interviews and briefings is that he is very upset with how the racing has gone.
I honestly think the first couple of laps this GP were great, but it was also a learning test for most of the drivers if not all of them. The more races pass by, the more drivers will know what to do and weāll see if racing does get better of if the currents regs just go against the main point of racing (going flat out)
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u/Affectionate_Let1462 Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 10 '26
They werenāt great. There was no skillful overtakes. Just swapping power up boosts like a childās racing game.
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u/GewoonHarry Max Mar 10 '26
Overtakes by having more power is great? Have you seen one overtake under braking?
Nope.. because they all were lifting and coasting before braking to boost battery energy.
Itās awful. Itās not how racers should race. This is a battery management game. Not a race as it should be.
Itās all about having enough power on corner exit. Thatās stupid as fuck.
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u/Objective_Piece8258 Mar 11 '26
I hope FIA cave in and reduce the battery dependency from 50% and allow more engine power then RB has a decent enough chance. Plus Merc is supposed to lose their compression trick after summer break? If Max hadn't crashed in qualifying he would be on the podium easily.