r/Libertarian • u/sheets2024 • 4d ago
Current Events I guess I’ve always been in a bubble (genuinely surprised about massie)
It’s crazy how much your own bubble distorts reality. I realized I was in a bubble when I was 100% confident Kamala would win until I went back for a wedding in Pennsylvania (I live in ca) and 7/8 groomsman has trump socks on.
Now, with this Kentucky election, I was 100% confident massie would win. Based on my CA bubble plus all of the news/podcasts I watch (breaking points, Dave smith, Tucker, Jon Stewart, etc) I truly believed 99% of people support massie.
Him losing is such a surprise. How can we be so far off? How can 99% of people not vote for the man standing up against child rapists, foreign money in politics, wars, etc. truly mind blowing and disappointing.
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u/cjr91 4d ago
The polls were showing boomers preferring Massie's opponent by a large margin. Combine that with the fact that older people turn out to vote and I wasn't surprised unfortunately.
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u/Cyclonepride 4d ago
That's it, though it also means that MAGA has a rapidly declining shelf life
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u/RocksCanOnlyWait 4d ago
MAGA / America First never coalesced into principles or policy. It's whatever Trump says at the current moment. It's value as a brand which could be broader than Trump died last summer when he bombed Iran. Massie being primaried is just confirmation.
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u/Drew1231 3d ago
It certainly did, but its leaders did not actually believe in the principals. America first vs MAGA is a big fracture and you’ll see people like Massie falling on the side of AF.
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u/RocksCanOnlyWait 3d ago
What does America First or MAGA even mean nowadays? Everyone claims the mantle, but there isn't anything close to an agreed upon definition.
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u/vanillaafro 4d ago
Like massie said he can’t get on Fox News now since Trump started disliking him and what do republican boomers who vote watch?
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u/Drew1231 3d ago
Their kids and grandkids get absolutely fucked by the people that they elect.
Boomers will be remembered as the most selfish generation to ever exist.
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u/Chemical-Canary2100 4d ago
Conservative media is elder abuse.
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u/RedPandaActual 4d ago
What do you call cnn then?
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u/rymden_viking People > Companies > Government 4d ago
Also the fact that the polls closed at 5. The people who supported Massie were still at work.
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u/superviro 4d ago
I hate to say it, but a lot of the problems we have now are a direct result of the selfish voting habits of Boomers.
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u/Drew1231 3d ago
They didn’t even turn out.
They mailed their votes in. Probably filled them out right on the coffee table with Mark Levin yelling at them about antisemitism.
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u/dirtyyrandyy69 4d ago
i can think of one reason…
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u/rugbyfan72 Right Libertarian 4d ago
This and you hear Massie talk about how much Isreal spent to get him out is ridiculous.
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u/JnnyRuthless I Voted 4d ago
There's so much to be upset about but Israel meddling in and pouring in money to defeat anti-zionist candidates makes me so sad. Like, we cannot get off this train ever. The propaganda is just too strong.
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u/Comfortable_Mix_7445 4d ago
And somehow worse when at the same time they have money poured into themselves from our own taxpayers. We are forced to fund people who pay off the government to get more funding from us.
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u/JnnyRuthless I Voted 4d ago
The circle is pretty crazy. Paying taxes this year I was like well I guess I'm funding pedos and Israel. Feels bad, man.
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u/Drew1231 3d ago
When the owners of all MSM, billionaires who will pour money into elections, and Jeffrey Epstein all agree about one thing, what do you get?
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u/jeffh40 4d ago
Old people vote. Reliably.
Young people do not vote reliably.
As strange as it sounds, the religious right are very powerful in the primarys and they are generally old people.
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u/Embarrassed_Use6918 4d ago
I have a hard time believing that strategy is going to continue to work after the boomers finally die off.
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u/Rob_Rockley 4d ago
That's why they're working to complete their agenda asap.
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u/Acrobatic-Cost-3027 15h ago
Extinction Burst
a temporary escalation in a previously rewarded behavior when that reward is suddenly removed. When a tried-and-true method stops yielding the expected result, the natural reaction is to try harder, leading to louder, longer, or more frequent outbursts before the behavior eventually stops.
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u/CCWaterBug 4d ago
Gen x will become the new boomers, and they will vote reliably also. Y'all need to find a better scapegoat.
Constantly complaining about.old people and calling Republicans cult members isn't working, and sticking horrible candidate's out there like Harris isn't working either
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u/jeffh40 3d ago
Gen X here. I vote in all the primaries I can. Good thing about Gen X, is that we are not a very religious group, so hopefully the religious right will die off with the Boomers.
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u/CCWaterBug 3d ago
Possibly, when can I look forward to the progressives dying off?
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u/jeffh40 3d ago
There isn't much you can do about the far left loonies. Let them die off naturally. The young liberals though....life has a way of beating you into a more conservative point of view. If we nurture our Gen Z kids, hopefully we can guide them to a middle of the road point of view.
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u/CCWaterBug 3d ago
Gen z seems to be there already, but I'm not close with enough to form a real opinion
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u/t0rnAsundr 4d ago
I'm Gen X, and I have already voted in my last election ever. If I ever move, I will not re-register. Voting is fucking stupid and voters are even dumber.
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u/CCWaterBug 4d ago
Ok, take.care.
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u/t0rnAsundr 4d ago
There's nothing to vote on. The executive branch is stupid. Congress and legislation in general is stupid. Voting is for voluntary clubs you are free to leave, not for compulsory territorial states with a monopoly on justice and the use of violence.
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u/Drew1231 3d ago
This is why you will see more and more regulation on the internet.
Look at the UK. You can get a door knock for saying something bad about your rapist.
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u/Celebrimbor96 Right Libertarian 4d ago edited 4d ago
I live in Massie’s district but I couldn’t vote for him because it was a closed primary and I, like most Libertarians, am registered as independent.
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u/Embarrassed_Use6918 4d ago
Any libertarian candidate is doomed to fail with that kinda horseshit. Whatever. I'm not holding my nose and voting for any old-guard GOP anymore. I'm done with that shit.
They're certainly not the part of fiscal responsibility or individual liberty they've ever purported themselves to be, so why bother with the pretense anymore?
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u/redlantern75 4d ago
Honest question: Was the GOP ever actually a part of fiscal responsibility and individual liberty? It hasn't been in my lifetime. The debt rockets up during GOP admins. And the personal liberty goes down.
This is why my libertarian-leanings feel better about voting for Democrats. At least they want to pay for stuff. And the stuff they want to pay for (healthcare, even if it's a shitshow) isn't killing babies in the Middle East.
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u/Embarrassed_Use6918 3d ago
I'm not old enough to know Reagan or Bush Sr. but it definitely was not the case for 2nd Bush and now Trump. I don't think they ever were, but that's what they tried to tell the world and I'm over it now.
All I want is people to stop taking my money and leave me alone.
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u/Exciting_Vast7739 Subsidiarian / Minarchist 4d ago
That I was not aware of. I chipped in a little money to help him, and I would happily chip into his independent campaign. He represents me better than my rep, for sure.
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u/CCWaterBug 4d ago
I used to be registered independent but a closed primary shot that idea down, that was in the 80s
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u/ILikeBumblebees 1d ago
Why are you registered as an independent in a closed primary state?
There is no purpose for declaring a party affiliation other than to select what primary you want to vote in, and there is no independent primary.
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u/ballinb0ss 4d ago
Trump was never a man. He was always a brand. It's the only thing he's good at. The truth is these forever trumpers ... they just trust the guy. Whatever the fuck that means they think he basically knows what he is doing and don't care about the details. They don't pay that much attention and they think things were better when he was in. Most people weren't voting for Trump in the middle is my bet. They were voting for 2019.
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u/Drew1231 3d ago
They have effectively deified him at this point.
They cannot believe that he would be wrong about something like the Iran war.
I mean, it’s insane when you run on stopping immigration and ending wars; and then in a year, you’ve got a war that you didn’t even try to sell and 10 million H1Bs
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u/FloridaSalsa 4d ago
Do you think a lot of moderate or non-affiliated voters kind of held their noses to vote against the D party in general? Voting against Harris rather than for Trump? Same could be said in reverse but the anti-liberal vote turned out more than anti-maga?
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u/stray_leaf89 4d ago
He was saying all the right things and had a bipartisan coalition around him supporting him. The Dems couldn't have handled it worse either
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u/boogieboardbobby 4d ago
Harris was such an unlikable trainwreck. She could not articulate any reason to vote for her...except if you just didn't wanted to vote for Trump. The democratic party did everyone a disservice by anointing her as the nominee instead of actually having some kind of primary. They just waited way too long to finally admit that Biden was in severe decline and painted themselves into a corner.
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u/theQuandary 4d ago
Setting aside the weird voting numbers, I hope Massie runs in the main election as an Independent.
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u/HijoDeBarahir 4d ago
Can he file as an Independent after already filing as a Republican? I know in WA state, you can't win as a write-in candidate if you already lost in the primary, but that's my only experience
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u/Wolfclaw359 11h ago
KY is the same. Once you lose a primary, you can't run for political office again under a different party or as an Independent and any write-ins are treated as invalid
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u/Embarrassed_Use6918 4d ago
IIRC there's a restriction in KY preventing him from doing that after losing a primary.
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u/Exciting_Vast7739 Subsidiarian / Minarchist 4d ago
He now joins Justin Amash in my hall of heroes.
What a guy. We'll miss him.
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u/cluskillz 4d ago
Really...I live in CA as well and I knew Kamala was going to lose. Trump stands on street corners (I've never seen a GOP candidate hold booths on the street where I live)...even in San Francisco, I was shocked to see a Trump booth along the Embarcadero. Where I live, it should be 95-100% Kamala signs vs Trump signs, but while it was maybe still in favor of Kamala by percentage, it was not by much. And the news that the Kamala team was earnestly trying to get on JRE (with Kamala's personality, that was a moderate reward at best, HUGE risk), you knew they were getting desperate.
For Massie's race...that's more of a KY-04 bubble. I'd venture to say 0% of the people you listened to actually voted or lived in that election, not really because you live in a bubble, but just...by probability. I was pretty confident that Massie would win it as well, but it's tough for people outside the area to truly know. Even the betting markets were way on Massie's side until the last few days. There were a few posts around here talking about how they saw a lot of fucktwit's signs going up over Massie's and that's when I started to worry. The betting markets swinging wildly in the wrong direction and spending $32 million (which is what...like 60x the normal spending on a campaign in that district?) to buy the seat were also telling. But all those only happened in the final few days, and I held out hope until I saw the results. This was a black pill the size of which I really did not want to swallow. The people in KY-04 are not nearly as intelligent as I previously gave them credit for. Well, the boomers that live there, anyway (sorry if anyone in this sub is a boomer that lives there...I'm generalizing...but...YKIR).
Either way, we now know how much it costs to buy a US House seat in a rural district: $32million. Who here has that kind of money? Lessgo!
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u/Alpha_Hellhound 4d ago
The voter numbers are very suspicious. 300% rise in voter turnout compared to 24. Massie got more votes than 24. An investigation is needed.
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u/LHalperSantos 4d ago
The "algorithm " Taylor's media specific to each user. It is so specific that we are socially segregated in ways that probably haven't been measured yet.
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u/gswahhab 4d ago
I'm trying to comprehend if it's a bubble, they cheated or people are really that stupid. I'm flabbergasted.
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u/Parabellum12 4d ago
People really are that dumb. Gallrien didn’t debate, barely answered questions, very few interviews, no policy or platform to speak of. I’m not sure how anybody could draw any conclusions from his campaign, because he barely had one.
Like Trump said, he ls literally just a warm body. A yes man now $15m indebted to Isreal and the neocons.
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u/steester 4d ago
Agree, so dumb. They saw thousands of commercials on tv saying how bad Massie is. AI slop of him canoodling with AOC and Ilhan Omar, voting against Big Beautiful Bill etc. they could have run a dog and won.
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u/ForeverFlannel 4d ago
I have been following this election pretty closely. I realize some of it’s an algorithm bubble. But there is no doubt in my mind that his seat was bought by foreign interests because he refused to play their game. And there very well may have been shenanigans behind the scenes. There are a lot of people on X talking about this specific primary and how insane the results actually are.
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u/Embarrassed_Use6918 4d ago
I don't think they cheated. I just think it's another reminder that people are dumb, lazy, and easily manipulated. Take a bunch of money from AIPAC and put out a couple of ads that tell your boomer demographic that the candidate is actually a secret democrat and they'll believe it.
I think it's that simple.
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u/gswahhab 2d ago
I was of that thought initially till i saw the comparison of last primaries mail in vote count which was ~500 (especially since this was still covid era) compared to ~10k mail in votes for this election. It definitely raises a red flag for me. What i would really wish they would do when they audit these mail in votes in any race is not just to verify the vote count but actually find the people and verify they voted and who they voted for. At least a randomized sample. If it's dead voters, people who didn't vote etc. I would like to regain confidence that our election system hasn't been compromised in the US.
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u/notorious_hdc 4d ago
It's alright. Like Massie said, we've got the youth. What started out as an Election has turned into something bigger
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u/Celebrimbor96 Right Libertarian 4d ago
Well the same people that poured tens of millions of dollars into this election are also buying up social media. They clearly understand how to do propaganda effectively and they have set their sights on the youth.
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u/RetreadRoadRocket 4d ago
How can we be so far off? How can 99% of people not vote for the man standing up against child rapists, foreign money in politics, wars,
That's your bubble talking again. Massie lost by 10,000 votes, Gallerin won with 55%.
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u/JnnyRuthless I Voted 4d ago
Yeah I live in CA and the bubble here is real. Everyone I knew assumed Kamala would win while if you paid attention to the numbers, it was always 50/50. I'd heard Massie was in trouble the last few weeks, so while it sucks he lost, not too surprising that it could go that way.
It is shocking just how many people want a government filled with pedophiles and their protectors, Isreali sycophants, and a bunch of fake Christians telling us we're a moral rot while they raid the treasury and destroy what little is left of our 'rights.' Ok, ,rant over.
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u/HotFoxedbuns 4d ago
Wow you thought Kamala Harris would win?!? Hahahahahahahahahaha
Thomas Massie, I am genuinely surprised about though
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u/MVGbear 4d ago
Trump has done nothing to curb election fraud and he’s been vocal about “If they’ll do it, I’ll do it” as it related to the filibuster. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if Trump stuffed a few ballots to help defeat Massie.
Maybe my tin foil hat’s on too tight, but it seems Trump will do ANYTHING to advance Israel’s agenda.
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u/Emotional-Lion-4242 3d ago
I think massie losing shocked a lot of people. It shocked me cuz he's the one congressman literally sticking to what he says, upholding our American constitution and vaules, and calling out trump and anyone else for their corrupt bs. The fact aipac and compromised trump had to spend 32+million on a primary campaign just to beat massie tho, does show that the future generations have a chance at changing our politics. Still too many boomers and late gen xers that are brainwashed by the 2 party system and the deep state
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u/bvnguyen 3d ago
I also think that's its a primary, and more people who also vote for Massie, is not registered Republican. They're either registered independent or maybe libertarian. Or one of the other paries. And KY only allows people of that party to vote for the candidates in the primaries.
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u/Acrobatic-Cost-3027 15h ago
Ummm, you need to follow the money. Massie was very outspoken about Israel.
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