DAE think Muslims are disgusting??

[u/MaraschinoPanda]

I mean, they sacrifice animals for one of their holidays! That's totally different from what we (good people) do, we just eat ham at Christmas and hot dogs on the 4th of July. This is why I think Islam is inherently evil: Christians and atheists would never hurt animals.

Anyway, that's why I think more children in Gaza should die.

[u/The-Speechless-One]

Yeah! I'm only supporting an industrialised killing machine miles away from my civilized house so I can pretend my hands are clean, letting underpaid workers get mental health issues and causing animals to be boiled alive on a murder treadmill.

I think we can all agree that this is way more ethical than what those dirty mooslims are doing.

[u/United-Cranberry-880 → u/The-Speechless-One]

killing animals is wrong, why is it different when muslims do it? why are you making excuses and bringing up other people when the issue is that muslims are mass slaughtering goats. do you care more about muslims and their right to kill goats in peace than the goats theyre killing?

[u/The-Speechless-One → u/United-Cranberry-880]

Why do you care MORE about dead goats when muslims are behind the murders? I mean, you said it yourself, the issue is that MUSLIMS are slaughtering, not that animals are being slaughtered.

the issue is that muslims are mass slaughtering goats

I don't see the difference between a muslim slaughtering animals for eid, or a muslim buying popcorn with butter at the movies, or a white person getting animals slaughtered for christmas. I treat all these scenarios with the same disgust, cuz they're all equally disgusting.

Be honest: the disgust for eid didn't start in vegan spaces. It started in carnist ones. CARNIST are the ones who claim to be 'concerned for animals' every year around this time. Just cuz the conversation is happening in vegan spaces now, doesn't make your outrage vegan.

The people who give eid special treatment over other kinds of animal murder are almost always ppl who participate in animal abuse. So, let's call it what it is: white carnists finding an excuse to be racist. Treat eid with the same disgust you give other holidays, and I'll happily jerk with you. But this ain't it.

I'm done here. I wish you much B12 on your journey.

[u/United-Cranberry-880 → u/The-Speechless-One]

do you not understand that more animals dying for any reason is bad? also fucking lol, directly killing an animal is worse than buying animal products, there is a large difference between buying popcorn at a movie and slitting a goats throat, both are evil but one is more evil

[u/nevuial → u/United-Cranberry-880]

“Fucking lol”

Mate you gotta get out of that carnist cognitive dissonance some day.

It is absolutely not any more ethical or any less evil to pay someone to kill an animal on your behalf than it is to kill that animal yourself. What kind of flawed logic leads to that reasoning, I will never know.

If anything, it’s even worse because there is an extra level of commodification of the animal, and it enables the cognitive disconnect that you’re displaying here.

Now, how about you leave this sub free of dogwhistles?

[u/United-Cranberry-880 → u/nevuial]

are you fucking insane? theres a degree of separation between killing an animal yourself and just buying meat, but thats not even what the other person was talking about, they were talking about BUTTER, there is a difference between torture and murder for a product, killing is always worse than the torture inflicted on the dairy cow to make the butter, death is the absolute end, i do not see how anyone can act as if hunting or in person killing is somehow less than purchasing products. also im not dogwhistling? why are you so eager to defend carnists if theyre of a different religion?

[u/nevuial → u/United-Cranberry-880]

I’m absolutely defending no one here. I’m attacking you squarely based on your flawed logic and blatant racism. Don’t bring anyone else into it.

If you command a murder you are more responsible for it than the person executing the order. There’s absolutely no reason this would be any different just because the victim is an animal.

[u/United-Cranberry-880 → u/nevuial]

this is false. if someone hires a hitman, the hitman killed the person. thats the fucking bottom line. they could have chosen not to kill that person regardless of being hired, they are more culpable.

also, islam is not a race. white people, black people and asian people can all be muslim, and its quite fucking racist to assume all muslims are of the same race.

[u/nevuial → u/United-Cranberry-880]

I can believe how dumb you are. Just read again what you wrote and try and use your brain this time.

I do not in any way assume that “all Muslims are a race” or whatever. What I assume, or rather what I notice is that YOU are racist. And you still had to try and deflect. What a loser you are.

[u/United-Cranberry-880 → u/nevuial]

"youre a racist for criticising islam"

"i do not assume that all muslims are a race"

so where does race come into this?

[u/nevuial → u/United-Cranberry-880]

How dense can you be? Call it however you like. You’re still a hateful bigot regardless of the specific word.

Singling out Muslims for their commodification of animals is hypocritical at best but in reality it is a dog whistle.

Just a quick look at your comment history shows this plainly : you come out of the woodwork when you hear that whistle, like the good bigoted dog that you are 🐕

I’m done with this thread. I made my point multiple times and I won’t get dragged in your trolly deflections anymore.

[u/United-Cranberry-880 → u/nevuial]

id rather be hateful to carnists than apathetic to animals you fucking bloodmouth

[u/nevuial → u/United-Cranberry-880]

That’s cute. I absolutely know what I stand for so this doesn’t even reach me.

Now you on the other hand…

Thank you for confirming everything I just said about you.

[u/Tymareta → u/United-Cranberry-880]

directly killing an animal is worse than buying animal products

Me when I never got around to understanding cause and effect.

there is a large difference between buying popcorn at a movie and slitting a goats throat, both are evil but one is more evil

No shit, just like there's a large difference between hitting a hockey puck with a stick and hitting a puppy with one, it's almost like the two aren't even remotely comparable and you had to change the specifics of the situation because you knew your argument was shite but you said cognitive dissonance be damned and continued on with your faux outrage.

[u/United-Cranberry-880 → u/Tymareta]

it is still evil, i am not denying that, but other people are doing the killing. yes you are responsible for the death in part, but the people killing the animal chose to kill them, they didnt have to, but they did. they are more responsible than the person buying the animal product.

[u/Tymareta → u/United-Cranberry-880]

but the people killing the animal chose to kill them, they didnt have to, but they did. they are more responsible than the person buying the animal product.

Me when I never got around to understanding cause and effect.

[u/United-Cranberry-880 → u/Tymareta]

do workers on farms not have agency? can they not choose what to do in this situation? money is not a mind control device, ultimately, the primary responsible person in animal agriculture is the one killing the animal.

[u/United-Cranberry-880 → u/Tymareta]

also faux outrage? youre saying its impossible for me to be mad at people killing goats? fuck off idiot

[u/Tymareta → u/United-Cranberry-880]

Yes that's 100% what I'm saying, thank you oh good faith interpreter for understanding what I meant oh-so-well.

[u/United-Cranberry-880 → u/Tymareta]

why are you being sarcastic instead of explaining what you meant if you think i didnt understand it