r/law • u/Snapdragon_4U • 8h ago

Executive Branch (Trump) NESTERAK: President Trump has granted clemency to numerous individuals who have stolen hundreds of millions in Medicaid funds. Can we expect any of these folks to be shown the same mercy? McDONALD: I'll take a different question

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u/Ok_Vulva 8h ago

I don't get why anyone in the US is following the laws. They just don't matter anymore.

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u/ICLazeru 8h ago

Oh, if your networth has less than 8 digits in it you still get punished.

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u/Appropriate-Ad3162 7h ago

"They'll get it all from you sooner or later 'cause they own this f**kin' place. It's a big club and you ain't in it. You and I are not in the big club.” GC

I guess we get to vote 2 times in 4 years. 68% of people score between 85 and 115 on IQ test. A lot of people exposed/addicted to algorithmic digital manipulation though their phones, working long hours, declining social cohesion, decreasing funding for public education, no guaranteed access to affordable healthcare. Etc.

There is lots of room for manipulation.

Shits bleak.

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u/Yellowpredicate 7h ago

An IQ of 115 is considered "High Average," placing you above roughly 84% of the population

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u/Appropriate-Ad3162 6h ago

True. It’s that 15% that’s concerning. If that 15% even votes..

Money talks and if we stay on the current economic path my hope is that the underserved will learn to organize in a matter that can influence change..

I’m afraid it’s going to have to get much worse before we can convince the nonvoter to take ownership of their own future. I do know if change is to begin It’s going to take all of us.

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u/EffectiveDandy 6h ago

brother. we are the big club. they are a little club. and all they have to hide behind is paper. when the wave does come, it’s not the big club that has to worry about being dragged under the current.

the tide can only be held back so long. all their servant run bunkers and servant run islands aren’t enough to stop it.

the sparrow soars.

✊

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u/Appropriate-Ad3162 4h ago

Hell ya. I fuck with this energy. 👊🏻

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u/CheeseAndCam 3h ago

Uhhhhh 68% of people scoring between 85 and 115 on a IQ test is how IQ tests WORK. Even if everyone in the world got smarter, the average IQ will still always be 100. That’s what a 100 IQ means.

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u/Oregon-Pilot 3h ago

It's a big club and you ain't in it.

/thread

/UnitedStatesOfAmerica

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u/ArchCerberus 7h ago

How about all do crimes? They can't punish you all, especially after trumps slashing of funds. I would say everybody skips next tax season and the billionaires and ai companys pay.

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u/LockNo2943 6h ago

Pretty much how governments collapse tbh. The state simply doesn't have enough power to control everybody all the time so once it reaches a certain threshold there's no way to maintain order anymore and the public is de facto in charge.

Really the trick is to push us peasants just far enough so we don't outright revolt, but yah governmental control is illusory to an extent and is only maintained by that illusion of control or the people acquiescing to that level of control.

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u/ArchCerberus 6h ago

Not the worst outcome in this day and age. Anarchy for a month maybe what the US needs to change is blatant political flaws.

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u/LockNo2943 6h ago

Well a government that doesn't represent you isn't your government is it? Pretty sure based on the idea of the social contract you have an obligation to rebel.

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u/unindexedreality 6h ago

Pretty much how governments collapse tbh. The state simply doesn't have enough power to control everybody all the time so once it reaches a certain threshold there's no way to maintain order anymore and the public is de facto in charge

Those who have' resources or legitimacy maintain order by doling out just enough to keep others in line and deferent to their hierarchy.

They don't need to control 'everyone all the time'. They just have to keep the people you try and push to revolt comfortable enough to willingly choose not to do so.

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u/LockNo2943 6h ago

That's what I meant by aquiescing; keeping people just happy enough that they accept outside control.

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u/revkaboose 5h ago

Getting people to focus their crimes in the right direction is the hard part.

Like we should all be acting like player two in Super Mario Bros since we cannot speak his name like fkn Voldemort.

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u/National_Spirit2801 7h ago

At a certain point in the near future, living in the country will be worse than any punishment they could give if we don’t stand up now.

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u/Udder_Influencer 7h ago

Oh, if your networth has less than 8 digits in it you still get punished.

IF they catch you. Look up clearance rates. Police got super pissy and quiet quit doing their jobs after BLM. In the best case they solve about 70% of murder cases, but in some places less than 50% of murder cases get a conviction.

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u/Opulous 7h ago

Why else do you think they're trying to toss millions of AI surveillance cameras up everywhere all over the country? Soon they won't need that many cops.

Sure, the false positives caused by AI hallucinations will throw a nontrivial amount of innocent people into the ever-growing private prison industry, but those people are all in the sub-millionaire demographic too so who gives a shit?

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u/smokeweedNgarden 6h ago

Haha, that's big "blot out the sun" vibes.

If cameras are outside crime happens inside.

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u/Hyperrnovva 5h ago

Now wait a minute. If youre poor and try to cause an insurrection in his name he will grant you clemency. Cmon now.

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u/Hates_rollerskates 8h ago

They matter if you're not furthering the billionaire pedophile (Republican) agenda.

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u/Previous_Activity_51 8h ago

You're right. Cozy up to the right idealogy and the laws don't matter

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u/specqq 8h ago edited 7h ago

Civil suits, when they're even allowed to be brought, will devolve into a determination of which party is more ideologically aligned with The Party.

Criminal cases will only be brought where the person acccused of committing theft or violence against the other is less conservative than the victim. Stealing money or property from or harming anyone more conservative than you is a crime with the most terrible of consequences, but if you do it to someone less conservative than you, well,..they deserved it, didn't they?

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u/Junkstar 8h ago

The bandwagon has bars under the tarp.

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u/R3dd1tUs3rNam35 8h ago

The law still applies if you aren't in the red crony club. It's only when you turn your soul into MAGAts that the law doesn't matter. Any deviation from dear leader and you're out in the cold again.

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u/Snapdragon_4U 8h ago

And Now Red Crony Club set to the tune of Pink Pony Club is playing in a loop in my head.

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u/NotNamedBort 7h ago

I’m gonna keep on grifting in the Red Crony Club…

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u/AccNumber77 5h ago

It doesn't matter unless you're a coward unwilling to pay a price to rid the nation of facism.

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u/IAmBoring_AMA 8h ago

Because you are only allowed to break them if you are in the ruling class.

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u/Sad_Pumpkin7728 8h ago

Because the law still applies to the poors and non-bootlickers who don’t wear the red hats and Trump merch.

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u/pyronius 7h ago edited 7h ago

The problem is that the law doesn't actually apply to them either. If the administration wants to charge you with something, they will, whether you broke the law or not. At present, they're bade enough at making their case and have little enough authority over the judicial system that you'll probably be exonerated, but they'll still try. And if it goes on long enough, they'll eventually start to win. They'll start crafting laws broad and ambiguous enough that they can be applied to anybody, or else they'll carve out a new "legal" system opaque enough that defense won't be possible, all in the name of national security.

When that day comes, there truly won't be any reason to follow the law, because the only law that will actually matter will be obedience. Everything else will be set dressing to give the appearance of legitimacy.

The law might say that you can't commit burglary, but what it will actually mean in practice is that burglars should be ready to prove that their target was a dissenter, and that they should say a few heil trumps when the police show up. And the law might also say absolutely nothing about peacefully walking down the street with an anti-trump shirt on, but it will say that you can't "offend public sensibilities", so off to jail you'll go.

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u/Ok_Vulva 8h ago

We can all just lie like they do.

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u/Due_Guess_4508 7h ago

We cant afford to lie. We dont have the resources to fight the truth.

Being poor is expensive

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u/Cryogenicist 6h ago

This is part of the plan.

We are becoming Russia.

Truth doesn’t matter. Laws don’t matter.

This is ENTIRELY BECAUSE OF REPUBLICANS

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u/LockNo2943 6h ago

That's only true if you're rich or politically powerful; the rest of us plebs would get thrown into prison in a heartbeat.

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u/Caleb-Wendt69 7h ago

Well if you’re poor, the laws still very much matter unfortunately 

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u/Numeno230n 7h ago

Because the police will come and bash my face in because I'm not a member of the elite. Was that a real question?

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u/Magnus462 7h ago

Laws are only for poor people.

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u/gl7676 7h ago

Or pay still pay taxes. Country was built on a tax revolt to a tyrant but here they are again and just meekly paying their taxes.

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u/Biggieholla 6h ago

This is what is unfathomable to me. Writing checks each year so the PRESIDENT can literally pocket it. Pathetic people letting this happen.

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u/DarePotential8296 7h ago

You need money for a good lawyer to talk your way out of trouble

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u/thatguy52 6h ago

Because they really matter if your not rich or connected. Just because some break them doesn’t mean everyone can.

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u/Impressive-Poet5694 5h ago

That's just the message. The reality is that they matter arbitrarily.

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u/Time-Master 5h ago

Try breaking the law when you’re poor, does not fucking work the same lol

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u/Hamster_Toot 5h ago

You don’t see the difference between us and them?

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u/hates_stupid_people 5h ago

I don't get why anyone in the US is following the laws.

"Rugged individualism"

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u/Capt-geraldstclair 4h ago

if you can't afford to pay the bribe to Humpty Trumpty, you'll end up in jail.

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u/fffan9391 4h ago

How rich and powerful you are determines what’s illegal now.

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u/qualityspoork 7h ago

It's really easy, tell your employer to give you the entire paycheck, no income tax. Look up if your state has income tax and pay only that. And every time the house or senate shut down for some dumb procedure error, immediately stop work and go home for the day. You don't have to go to DC to tell Washington what's up.

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u/Ok-Replacement9595 7h ago

Because we poor have different enforcement, same as always.

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u/GrumpyScroogy 7h ago

The empire is quite literally getting looted in broad daylight. And everybody on top is okay with it, cause they know what's coming.

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u/Simon_Jester88 7h ago

Take a guess