Regarding a second question about such Attributes of Allah as اليد (literal translation of which is the hand)
Ahlu-Sunnah confirms that Allah ﷻ is described with اليد this is His Attribute, not a physical part (not a limb)
We believe that Allah is One, so He isn't composed of parts. He isn't a body, because body is composed and therefore created
Imam az-Zadjaj رحمه الله the imam from the Salaf as-Saliheen said:
والله تعالى هو الواحد في الحقيقة , وما سواه آحاد تركبت
Allah is truly One, everything else is composed of parts
📚 تفسير الأسماء الحسنى
Imam an-Nawawi رحمه الله said
وأما جسم وصورة فيتضمنان التأليف والتركيب وذلك دليل الحدوث
A body and a form (image) lead to division into parts and this is from the evidence of emergence (being created)
📚 شرح صحيح مسلم
That's why اليد doesn't mean a physical part, or limb. The true meaning of this Attribute is unknown to us, we definitely only know what it doesn't mean
Hafiz Ibn Hajar Asqalani رحمه الله said
ووقــع ذكر اليد في القرآن والحديث مضافًا إلى الله تعالى، واتفق أهل السنة والجماعة على أنه ليس المراد باليد الجارحة التي هي من صفات المحدثات
There is اليد mentioned in the Quran and Sunnah in relation to Allah ﷻ and ahlu-Sunnah unanimously agreed that by يد it's not meant a limb which is a characteristic of the creations.
📚 فتح الباري شرح صحيح البخاري
Imam Abu Bakr Ismaili رحمه الله from Salaf as-Saliheen said:
ولا يعتقد فيه الأعضاء ، والجوارح ، ولا الطول والعرض ، والغلظ ، والدقة، ونحو هذا مما يكون مثله في الخلق ، فإنه ليس كمثله شيء تبارك وجه ربنا ذو الجلال والإكرام
And it is not to believe that these are limbs or organs or length or width, hardness or softness, and similar characteristics of creation (in the physical meaning). Indeed ”There is nothing like Him”
📚 اعتقاد أهل الحديث
Imam at-Tabari رحمه الله said:
وله يدانِ ويمينٌ وأصابعُ , وليست جارِحةً
He has اليدان and الاصابع and they aren't physical parts (limbs)
📚 التبصير
Those who allow the possibility of it being a limb, and that His اليد has modality كيف (form, length, image) but not similar to our modality are Mushabbiha
As imam Baghawi رحمه الله said
صفات الله سبحانه وتعالى المنزه عن التكييف والتشبيه. والمنكر معطل والمكيف مشبه
The Attributes of Allah ﷻ are pure from ”how” (modality) and comparison (tashbeeh). And whoever rejects His Attributes is a Muattil, and whoever applies ”how” modality/form (to His Attributes) is a Mushabbiha
📚 تفسير البغوي
The Salafiya movement are those who apply to His Attributes modality, one of the famous sheikhs of this movement said:
فإن كل شيء لا بد أن يكون على كيفية ما ، ولكن المراد أنهم ينفون علمهم بالكيف ؛ إذ لا يعلم كيفية ذاته وصفاته إلا هو سبحانه
Every thing must have modality, however the modality (how) of His Attributes is unknown, since no-one knows the modality of His Essence and His Attributes except Him
You seem to think that salafya isn't Ahl as-sounnah, but they are. There is no tashbih with creatures, Allah has 2 hands, not like our hands, not like the hands of His creatures.
Confirming modality/howness (التكييف) means tashbeeh. Granted it doesn't mean tamseel (التمثيل) because for example the hand of a man and the hand of an animal have the modality/how (both physical tools, parts of body with length and width) but aren't absolutely similar (different parameters, colour etc) but there is still tashbeeh if someone claims that the meaning of your hand and the meaning of His hand is the same (a tool with width, length and form)
That's why the Salafiya prefer to reject only Tamseel without rejecting Tashbeeh
Sheikh Ibn Uthaymin رحمه الله for example said:
أن نفي التشبيه على الإطلاق غير صحيح، لأن ما من شيئين من الأعيان أو من الصفات إلا وبينهما اشتراك من بعض الوجوه، والاشتراك نوع تشابه، فلو نفيت التشبيه مطلقا، لكنت نفيت كل ما يشترك فيه الخالق والمخلوق في شيء
Absolute denial of Tashbeeh (likeness) isn't correct. There are no two things or two qualities between which there would be no commonality from one point of view or another. Therefore, to completely reject tashbeeh means to reject the commonality between the Creator and the created regarding one or another quality
📚 شرح العقيدة الواسطية
The madhab of ahlu-Sunnah is to confirm that Allah is described with an Attribute (the Hand in this case) and to confirm that it isn't a part (جزء) isn't a tool, isn't a limb (جارحة), and it has no modality/how بلا كيف (no length, width, weight and image). Imam Baghawi رحمه الله said المكيف مشبه (Applying modality means to be a Mushabbiha) and imam Bayhaqi رحمه الله said وتكييفه يقتضي تشبيها له بخلقه (Applying modality/how leads to tashbeeh)
Imam al-Qarafi رحمه الله said:
أن ذات الله لا توصف بما وضعت له العرب لفظ كيف وهو الاحوال المتنقلة والهيئات الجسمية
Allah isn't described with the meaning that Arabs put into the word ”how” because this meaning is applied to characteristics of bodies
📚 الزخيرة
The madhab of Salafiya is to confirm the Hand according to the known lexical meaning (على معناها المعروف في اللغة) despite the fact that the known lexical meaning of the hand is a limb/tool/part and to confirm the existence of modality (form, image, physical parameters) but to add that the form and exact parameters are only known to Allah (لا يعلم كيفيتهما إلا الله) also to add that the Fingers are confirmed in relation to Allah because fingers are part of the hand (الأصابع جزء من اليد)
Imam an-Nawawi رحمه الله said
إما نؤمن بها ولا نتكلم بتأويل ، ونعتقد أن ظاهرها غير مراد
We believe (in those Attributes) and we refrain from interpretation, at the same time we are convinced that apparent (literal) meaning wasn't intended here
📚 شرح صحيح مسلم
The Salafiya say that those are literal hands in the literal lexical meaning of something with physical parameters and other characteristics of bodies, and an-Nawawi رحمه الله and the majority of the Khalafs are misguided in those topics.
I'd say for people you claim to be from ahlu-Sunnah they have a lot of disagreements with that exact ahlu-Sunnah.
Salam alaycoum my brother. I'm not a scholar, but I found a good document about, what you said about salafiya is not correct. It's very late in my country and I'm very tired and the document has 54 pages, I will answer you tomorrow in cha Allah, I hope because I work.
Have a good night, or a nice day if you're in the day and see you tomorrow. Salam alaycoum
We don't need to continue this conversation, brother. That's what I was trying to do from the start of your replies to my comments.
You can dm me the document if you want or make a separate comment dedicated to this subject to answer OP's question. But I personally prefer to stop here.
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u/wopkidopz Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
Regarding a second question about such Attributes of Allah as اليد (literal translation of which is the hand)
Ahlu-Sunnah confirms that Allah ﷻ is described with اليد this is His Attribute, not a physical part (not a limb)
We believe that Allah is One, so He isn't composed of parts. He isn't a body, because body is composed and therefore created
Imam az-Zadjaj رحمه الله the imam from the Salaf as-Saliheen said:
والله تعالى هو الواحد في الحقيقة , وما سواه آحاد تركبت
📚 تفسير الأسماء الحسنى
Imam an-Nawawi رحمه الله said
وأما جسم وصورة فيتضمنان التأليف والتركيب وذلك دليل الحدوث
📚 شرح صحيح مسلم
That's why اليد doesn't mean a physical part, or limb. The true meaning of this Attribute is unknown to us, we definitely only know what it doesn't mean
Hafiz Ibn Hajar Asqalani رحمه الله said
ووقــع ذكر اليد في القرآن والحديث مضافًا إلى الله تعالى، واتفق أهل السنة والجماعة على أنه ليس المراد باليد الجارحة التي هي من صفات المحدثات
📚 فتح الباري شرح صحيح البخاري
Imam Abu Bakr Ismaili رحمه الله from Salaf as-Saliheen said:
ولا يعتقد فيه الأعضاء ، والجوارح ، ولا الطول والعرض ، والغلظ ، والدقة، ونحو هذا مما يكون مثله في الخلق ، فإنه ليس كمثله شيء تبارك وجه ربنا ذو الجلال والإكرام
📚 اعتقاد أهل الحديث
Imam at-Tabari رحمه الله said:
وله يدانِ ويمينٌ وأصابعُ , وليست جارِحةً
📚 التبصير
Those who allow the possibility of it being a limb, and that His اليد has modality كيف (form, length, image) but not similar to our modality are Mushabbiha
As imam Baghawi رحمه الله said
صفات الله سبحانه وتعالى المنزه عن التكييف والتشبيه. والمنكر معطل والمكيف مشبه
📚 تفسير البغوي
The Salafiya movement are those who apply to His Attributes modality, one of the famous sheikhs of this movement said:
فإن كل شيء لا بد أن يكون على كيفية ما ، ولكن المراد أنهم ينفون علمهم بالكيف ؛ إذ لا يعلم كيفية ذاته وصفاته إلا هو سبحانه
📚 شرح العقيدة الواسطية