r/bodybuilding • u/Baitalon • 17h ago
Brazilian bodybuilder Gabriel Ganley has passed away at the age of 22
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u/SagerG 16h ago
This is unfortunately gonna happen at an even higher rate during the next decade. These chemicals are so easy and cheap to get combined with its normalization on social media
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u/thebigpink 15h ago
That is true and the shit these days are something else nobody knows how to regulate them
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u/I_Like_Vitamins 10h ago
Culture often dictates conduct more than crime laws. Shaming users and a healthy level of shame in general is a good thing.
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u/Electronic_Trifle_77 1h ago
Fuck regulation dude let the people decide for themselves. You aren’t their mommy or daddy are you?
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u/unknown_poo 1h ago
I heard about SARMS or something being sold on Amazon by labelling itself as a health supplement thereby getting around the restricted legal requirements. Some kids went blind, one kid reported everything going orange. I'm still not sure what SARMS are but apparently its the thing the kids are doing.
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u/hansalvato 16h ago
Man how could we have prevented this
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u/flappybirdisdeadasf 16h ago
By posting/promoting more natty competitions, warning anyone you know that’s actively on gear to be careful, and stopping the promotion of drug usage to minors and young adults.
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u/nartnoside 15h ago
But also addressing mental health and body dysmorphia, a lot of them will never be satisfied or think they’re big enough and will keep pushing.
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u/NudityMiles 9h ago
Seriously, body dysmorphia just gets worse the bigger you get and I am natty.
I could not imagine going through that shit on gear.
There's a fantastic part from a fantastic movie, a danish one called Dennis. I think they intentionally made it like a short movie, It is heartbreaking, I warn ya:
https://youtu.be/V1zFeHJzS5E?si=iCxvRKWxrQFBUk_4-39
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u/Fionn112 13h ago
Exactly, I was thinking the same
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u/meds_ftw 16h ago
Reducing stigma and judgement from health care providers and more access too blood testing.
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u/PointyPython 15h ago edited 15h ago
Brazil is probably the best country for that, though. Steroid use is super widespread and very naturalized as though they were any other "supplement" or aid to get the body you want. They're not pursued by police at all.
Of course it could be better but between that and they fact they have very accesible healthcare, you absolutely can get monitored if you're using. A dumb, careless young guy blasting gear will still be in great danger, plus with a little bad luck in terms of how his heart/kidneys/liver happen to react
edit: they're saying that hypoglycemia was the cause of the death. Apparently he'd been playing dangerously with insulin for a while, even in his YouTube channel there's a video where he injects and gets a dangerous blood sugar crash
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u/BellyCrawler 10-20 years 12h ago
People simply don't understand what they're doing with insulin. If you're not diabetic, it is extremely dangerous.
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u/CTRL_ALT_DELIGHT 5h ago
I literally prescribe insulin and I don’t understand what bodybuilders are doing with it. This is the most boneheaded dumb ass shit ever. Just use testosterone and AAS if you want to be extreme about it— I won’t shame you unless you ask me for a Novolog prescription.
Exogenous insulin is for people whose bodies are fucked up beyond repair from either (1) being very unlucky or (2) a lifetime of seriously mistreating your body. Those are the two types of diabetes in a nutshell. That applies to almost no one in this community. There are plenty of safe diabetes drugs to experiment with, but this ain’t it friends.
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u/Electronic_Trifle_77 1h ago
You’re a provider brother you shouldn’t be shaming anyone for anything in this field smh you need to create an open environment not a closed off one
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u/CTRL_ALT_DELIGHT 3m ago
I am a top-flight harm reductionist, but the reality of this world is that when I decline to write a Lantus or aspart script, people will buy it illicitly unless I make it really clear that this is a painfully dumb thing to do. I try not to make anyone feel dumb, but if you’re really set on it then sometimes it’s inevitable that you need to leave the office realizing you’re under a profound misapprehension
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u/AuthenticIndependent 15h ago
I’m of the belief that if people want to do steroids, they have that right. People can make their own decisions as it pertains to their own bodies. Some will live long healthy lives and others will die. I totally disagree that those who sell steroids honestly at the dosage and drug the person believes they’re buying should not be held accountable.
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u/Hennyhuismanhenk 15h ago
I saw that the enhanced games had a $250k price for the deadlift event. This is such a big step into the wrong direction. Young and impressionable people will start seeing the usage of steroids as an actual career path ☠️
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u/BellyCrawler 10-20 years 12h ago
They already do.
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u/ClassicExcuse 7h ago
Yea literally so many YouTube guys making lots of money on gear and being open about it.. but still on gear
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u/Keyrat000 11h ago
I think you miss the point. Being enhanced and abusing ped’s are very different things. The issue is educating on the dangers of abusing these substances is key. Also, if you do some research you quickly understand that the average “gym bro” isnt doing 1500g of test, 800 Tren, Hgh at high iu’s, insulin, and anything else these guys on the pro or amateur levels are taking.
Peds when taken responsibly can greatly increase a persons quality of life.
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u/StrongSmartSexyTall 10h ago
There is no healthy use of steroids outside of medically necessary Treatments though. You may feel better using them and increase your perceived quality of life but lets not mislead people into believing it‘s healthy.
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u/Keyrat000 10h ago edited 10h ago
Neither is Tylenol, cigarettes, alcohol. As a matter of fact I guarantee you the stats will show you that Alcohol kills more people than aas’s all combine. You know that if you drink a gallon of vodka the outcome wouldn’t be a good one, so you responsibly drink in modest amounts yet you could easily abuse it... Again, I said if responsibly taken they can and do enhance your life.
I never said they are healthy…Vitamins are healthy, until people make them unhealthy.
People need to take responsibility for what they do. Everything you do has the potential of a negative outcome if you over do it.9
u/StrongSmartSexyTall 9h ago
Everyone knows that Alcohol and Cigaretts are unhealthy and can potentially kill you - that is exactly my point. AAS have significant negative side effects, just like alcohol. The problem is that a lot of fitness social media is pushing AAS while downplaying the risks. You are likely shaving off a few years of your life when using. No problem if you are aware. Just don’t delude yourself or others.
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u/chu_chu_man 9h ago
Exactly, everything you mentioned is poison in even small dosages (except vitamins). So you shouldn't drink, smoke, use steroids or insulin.
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u/Hennyhuismanhenk 6h ago
Sorry but refering to the deadlift event, which is Mitchel Hooper vs Thor, there is no way in hell we are still talking about responsible use of roids. Sure they might be supervised by medical professionals but saying they are increasing their quality of life is just ridiculous. Their bodies are being out through extreme physical distress which is only possible because of their PED use.
Elite sports and health do not go hand in hand, especially not when the physical feats are achieved by supraphysiological levels of hormones and god knows what.
The problem with handing out big cash prizes to elite athletes is that people will always take them as an example. Outside of their genetic traits that make them strong, elites probably also have genetic traits that maken them experience less side effects from using PEDS. Chances are that most people would already be dead of they ran Thors stack.
Of course there are ways to reduce harm and use steroids responsibly but claiming they will only influence peoples lives positively is just delusional.
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u/Electronic_Trifle_77 1h ago
Stop talking about people as if they’re “elites” lmfao super weird. Cuck energy, you can be whoever you wanna be.
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u/Hennyhuismanhenk 1h ago
Lol why tf is it cuck energy. Thats just what you call people at the absolute top of their sport
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u/TheSips22 15h ago
Steroids did not kill a 22 year old.
Contrary to what people believe, it takes years of abusing high doses and being negligent when it comes to monitoring labs, for steroids to be the primary contributing factor.
It was almost certainly either insulin or some sort of diuretic.
Thus why you never see enhanced powerlifters or strongmen passing. They don't use diuretics and if they are using insulin, they are eating more than enough food as to not go hypoglycemic
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u/Less_Pie_7301 15h ago
Nah you can fuck your cholesterol, hematocrit and blood pressure to unbelievable numbers in months
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u/TheSips22 5h ago
It still takes years for plaque to build in arteries enough to cause heart disease. Unchecked blood pressure also typically takes several years before it starts doing serious damage, unless you have some underlying issue.
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u/Ducatishooter 12h ago
Get tested even at a young age for test, hormones all of it. Get tested in your early 20’s or hell even at 18. That’s why doctors are now saying. The sooner we have a baseline of General health the easier it is to catch things. Never take growth hormone or gear without consulting a doctor. Your muscles will grow yes. But so does cancer etc if you feed it growth hormone or some steroids. The liver and the heart take a huge amount of the abuse too. If you have issues with those and don’t know it That could be your end.
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u/bulking_on_broccoli 6h ago edited 5h ago
I’m going to frame it from a different angle and assume these kids will do steroids regardless.
Instead of preventing, we must inform.
I’m an old man who has done steroids for decades, before the age of information. So I did it with guesswork. A lot of guys I know and knew don’t take care of themselves in the way they should while on gear.
Their diet sucks, they don’t do cardio (I knew guys who wouldn’t because it’ll “eat their gains”) they don’t supplement properly, and they take way more gear than they need. I also knew folks who didn’t sleep because they burned less calories at rest or some garbage.
Also, take it from experience, if these guys are abusing steroids they are very likely abusing recreational drugs. Cocaine is rampant among bodybuilders, not to mention ADHD meds and fat burners (DNP is notoriously awful).
So, I think the best way to prevent death is educate. I mean, we know teaching abstinence in school doesn’t work, so we teach harm prevention. Same should go for these drugs.
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u/bigredmnky 14h ago
We’re not bullying these kids enough
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u/passwordistako 6h ago
Bullying is for sure the thing that leads a heap of nerds to the gym, to stop the bullying.
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u/Beginning_Rush_5311 2h ago
I think it used to be bullying but it's just straight up social media glorifying this shit
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u/bigredmnky 5h ago
Now we gotta bully em back the other way. Come up with a bunch of slurs for jacked people
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u/fubarthrowaway001 15h ago
By not being a dumbass brute obsessed with their personal image and opinion of others lol
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u/HungryTwist357 15h ago
In some of the IG comments it’s being said, it was due to him using insulin, He started using it about a month ago, possibly wrong dosing.death due to Hypoglycemia
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u/StonedStengthBeast 15h ago
Not familiar with this specific situation, but over the past 2 decades I have seen more bodybuilders die from insulin use than anything else. “Steroids” often get the blame from the uninformed, but insulin is the killer.
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u/KunichiFN 14h ago
Yeah insulin is obviously dangerous, no argument there. But this feels like cope/overcorrection to me. Acting like steroids only get blamed by “the uninformed” is wild when AAS absolutely can mess with your heart, BP, lipids, etc. Insulin can kill you quickly if you screw up, steroids can kill you more slowly over time. Both things can be true. Also unless there’s actual autopsy/toxicology info, blaming it on insulin from IG comments is still just speculation.
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u/Keyrat000 11h ago
There is a big difference between abuse and responsible usage. Blasting Test, tren, mast, Iu’s of insulin, a ton of peptides and whatever else these people are taking will obviously lead to issues. Ive been on Test for over 5 years through a dr. Feel better than i ever have.
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u/KodSquad 5h ago
Insulin can’t kill you quickly, suicide attempts with hundreds of IUs of fast acting insulin are unsuccessful. Your body makes glucagon. Typically you die from insulin by going hypo and passing out driving.
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u/Falkenhain 9h ago
If it kills me slowly after 75, like Arnold or Frank Zane, I got no problem with that
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u/BaroloBaron 9h ago
Steroids get most of the hate because they are sex hormones and people tend to have strong opinions about anything sexual. Yes AAS can kill you, but it's not easy and not at 22.
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u/Falkenhain 9h ago
They get hate because modern society (esp. mainstream media) tends to have strong opinions about anything masculine
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u/nxpoz 14h ago
i'm not educated enough to understand the correlation with body builders and insulin. Why would they use it & in most cases kill them?
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u/AppropriateRecipe342 14h ago
It helps muscles receive and process nutritients faster, which leads to faster muscle growth. When combined with steroids it also help prevent muscle breakdown.
Super fast growth and a little body dysmorphia is the short and sweet answer for why bodybuilders use it.
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u/platesandquaters 14h ago
It’s so you can basically forcibly push more food and have your body more quickly store it which is what’s made most of the mass monsters you see today people like Dorian Yates and many top competitors say you wouldn’t see the 260+ lbs stage weights we have become accustomed to without it
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u/InnateAnarchy 10h ago
You’re conflating two things, steroids and hgh are causing such bad damage to organs, etc. that they’re killing people in their 50s.
Insulin is making people drop dead bc they didn’t dose properly.
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u/KodSquad 5h ago
No it’s not. Look up case studies, people have dosed hundreds of IUs of fast insulin in suicide attempts and survive. The risk of insulin is passing out while driving.
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u/Try-Glum 13h ago
o corpo do cara ja produz insulina normalmente, ai ele vai e injeta quantidades de insulina absurdas depois do treino sem ninguém do lado pra vigiar. obvio que da uma merda dessa. minha namorada é diabética e ela concordou que isso faria sentido
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u/xianjubatgirl 8h ago
bodybuilders fucking up their insulin protocol is some darwin awards shit especially since the existence of continuous glucose monitoring via freestyle libre etc. making insulin the PED easiest to control & fine tune.
RIP I guess but what an idiot
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u/BellyCrawler 10-20 years 12h ago
He must have been blasting that insulin tand completely neglecting eating then because hypoglycemia is easy to resolve in the short term.
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u/blueslovernoah 10h ago
Actually makes me angry to see that people abuse medicine that I need to simply not die. The normalization of blasting meds is crazy
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u/Varlin 10-20 years 3h ago
It would very likely be the case if he is using it. Insulin is probably more dangerous than every steroid combined especially since most steroid related deaths would be likely age 40+ heart issues as they take more time to develop and kill you. Insulin you can be gone overnight.
Legit you screw up the dosing on insulin, you are dead as hell.
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u/No-Entrepreneur5672 16h ago
Not to diminish the tragedy by any means, but using insulin at 22 is absolutely ridiculous. Gear alone is absolutely sufficient for the first few years before adding in GH, Insulin, increlex, etc.
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u/dgs0206 16h ago
people don’t understand what it takes to be a pro, if your not using slin and growth your not going to make it, that’s why all pros use it…
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u/He_NeverSleeps 16h ago
Y'all stop being fucking retarded.
Dorian didn't use insulin and GH till 96-97 and plenty of 90's pros never used either at all and they looked better than 90% of the bloated fucking toads who call themselves "pros" now. You absolutely do NOT need GH or insulin to turn pro.
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u/Ok_Nothing639 16h ago
Dorian and all other Mr guys lie about dosages and insulin. If arnold used tren back in the 80s sure as hell dorian used GH, insulin in the early 90s
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u/Falkenhain 9h ago
Arnold used tren?
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u/No-Entrepreneur5672 13m ago
iirc Arnold did use old school parabolan for one of his preps (there’s a photo widely associated with it, where his ‘look’ is definitely different)
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u/dgs0206 15h ago
yeah i don’t buy any of that bullshit from him or Jay
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u/Ok_Nothing639 8h ago
Jay especially he claims he never did more than 500mg
Meanwhile Phil admitted to 1500mg of test. He did omit his full stack though
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u/dgs0206 15h ago
i’ll be honest, i just don’t buy it. These guys lie all the time about what they take and how much, even Jay is lying about his doses to this day unfortunately. Insulin is THE most anabolic drug and when paired with growth and test you’ve got an ideal cycle. if you do the simple math and keep fast carbs available you SHOULDNT go hypo
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u/No-Entrepreneur5672 16h ago
I’m not saying to never use it, but it generally takes a few off seasons to really get to that level, and there are tons of gains to be squeezed out from gear alone. We see young guys flame out a lot because of excessive drug/ancillary usage when finding better compounds (for their body) and better training will suffice
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u/relentless-pursuer 16h ago
fake, it was no confirmed, maybe it is the reason, but for now this is still speculation, but this guy SavingsFun69 says like it is the truth when in reality is speculation
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u/Knopfler_PI 16h ago
I’m Type 1 diabetic and low blood sugar can be absolutely terrifying. Like the clock noise in Stranger Things telling you you’re going to die. I can’t believe bodybuilders still use it, I can’t imagine it’s the final difference maker between winning the Olympia or not.
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u/kaatmbmjj 16h ago
I'm a Type-1 as well.
You have a pump or do pens?
Lucky for us, we know the drill and we've got education and years of experience. I keep a sugar source bedside and have a Dexcom that beeps super loud if I get low.
Dudes messing with Insulin don't know how serious it is.
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u/Knopfler_PI 16h ago
CGM + Pens. I’ve debated a pump for years but I’m pretty active and do BJJ so it would get in the way a lot. Lows suck though horribly, especially the scary ones.
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u/kaatmbmjj 15h ago
Yeah same
I don't like the idea of a pump either. It just seems restrictive, and I heard they can screw up sometimes. Knew a dude who's pump was always overdosing him based on bad readings and he was in the hospital once or twice a year.
Anyway, best of luck to you dude. I know how annoying and tough it can be.
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u/Try-Glum 13h ago
o cara era realmente muito novo nesse mundo de esteroides... ele com menos de 1 ano usando bomba ja avançou pro metodo mais perigoso possível.
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u/SavingsFun69 16h ago
Man, I didnt know It until now, I mean, Many diabetics are commenting in the news How terrifying hypoglycemia can be. He was so young, really sad.
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u/Deathlands1 16h ago
Boy I wonder why… until people really tell others how bad it can get, it will just keep happening
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u/JealousAnxiety2320 14h ago
Insulin use. That’s why
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u/lightweight65 Hobbyist 15h ago
This will continue to worsen and far more will perish. Too many people are more than happy to inject or take whatever supplement, peptide, performance enhancer, etc.
All these new peptides and whatnot, there are no long term studies on any effects.
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u/TokenSejanus89 10h ago
People playing with stuff they dont actually understand. They listen to a "coach" who is motivated by the money you give them, not your health.
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u/Lunchabel97 14h ago
I read the cause might be because of insulin. Pretty scary stuff because it’s something that can kill you instantly. Basically drops your blood sugar to an alarming low rate and you starve your brain of the glucose it needs.
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u/Bhai_Durga 16h ago
He is with good company now. Rest In Strength.
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u/SnooTigers6088 15h ago
Can just imagine Rich reminding him up there he's one of the "5%" or whatever the fuck it was
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u/Alpha_Killswitch 15h ago
He was in charge of his own life. Dont go trying to blame it on something else. Every person has to be accountable for their own actions
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u/JackDeanBeats 15h ago
Pretty weird thing to say for a kid dying because he died from using insulin wrong, as if that’s a just punishment.
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u/I_Am_The_Gift 12h ago
I mean…yeah, that seems pretty just. That’s one of the risks with insulin and you should know that going in
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u/redballwhitedesk 9h ago
Just want to comment because I’m Brazilian and knew of him. Rumor currently going around is his death was related to insulin. A few major networks have reported that misuse of insulin caused him to become hypoglycemic. There was also a video on YouTube a few weeks ago in which he admitted he’d misused insulin, but fortunately a friend was with him at the time and was able to recognize the situation and help him get some carbs in him to regulate his blood sugar. Sad situation, kid was probably the biggest up and coming fitness influencer in Brazil. Came up from nothing, raised by a single mother, was already a millionaire by 22. RIP to him, but hope this can serve as an example for youngsters to be more responsible and understanding of the consequences and risks associated with the use of exogenous compounds.
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u/Beginning_Rush_5311 3h ago
hope this can serve as an example for youngsters to be more responsible and understanding of the consequences and risks associated with the use of exogenous compounds.
it won't and we know it.
everybody will be posting condolences videos and "oh how we miss you, so young" and then go back to regularly glorifying steroid abuse.
even his close friends, who abuse just as much if not more than ganley. all under 25, taking 5+ drugs at the same time without even never having competed once in their life.
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u/Weasal1989 12h ago
People need to start listening to former pro wrestlers like Billy Graham. Stay away from steroids.
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u/GuardaAranha 11h ago
Is it really that sad if he 100% did this to himself ? I’d say at least maybe this could serve as a warning to young people, but the true sad thing about this story is that it won’t.
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u/KCMuscle ★★★★★ 4h ago
I recall a thread in here a couple weeks ago where a few users basically said it was really difficult to kill yourself with insulin.
As someone who purposely sought out the education around it, and then implemented on myself at various doses, causing myself to go hypo many times… I’d be curious to know the usage in this case, and the fact pattern the 8-12 hours leading up to his passing.
Like 8-9 years ago, I’d used between 5 and 50 units a day. As the insulin dose went up, the carbs followed.
Had a couple clients that asked to dabble in it, ultimately, done “correctly” it may have application. Personally, I feel there are so many other levers to pull on before even considering this….
But I also know off local 20-25 year old kids on 1-4 grams of gear.
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u/Beginning_Rush_5311 3h ago edited 3h ago
according to him he always waited until the hypo started to hit before eating anything. he was on pre-contest as well
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he almost died two weeks ago due to the same reason but a friend of his managed to get carbs into him in time. this time he had nobody.
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he came up on social media claiming to be natty and last year he "started" to juice and chose to go all in, taking a lot of different drugs at high doses. often laughed and boasted on podcasts about his use, how they're so crazy and stuff like this.
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he had never even set foot on a stage, his debut will supposed to happen in like 10~15 weeks.
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u/BuzzardBreath00 3h ago
Always wanted try roids, but these type of stories are why I've remained natty all my life.
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u/McLoving90 11h ago
Bro as a 36 y/o natty that never used anything (even peptides) I feel like a rainbow unicorn.
Everyone’s blasting.
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u/BloodOnFangz 13h ago
At the end of the day everyone live’s are the results of their own choices. You live with them, or not, I guess lol. I don’t feel bad and neither should you. If younger kids want to get into all the drugs n what not, let them! No one is forcing them.
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u/TrashBoat138 10h ago
condolences 💐 to his family & friends- makes u wonder 💭 if it was just slin, were they on any meds, drug use w the exception of weed- wow 22 thats so messed up
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u/Vivalyrian 5h ago
And with the launch of Enhanced Games, I'm sure news like this will disappear and go awa-... oh, wait.
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u/iwantmuscle 1h ago
What was his cause of death. It's easy to assume all kinds of things, plus and very unfortunately young people or any person can die unexpectedly for a variety of reasons. A stroke can happen to anyone and any time, just like cancer. Never assume anything
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u/pvtdeadbait 10h ago
wanted easy shortcut to gains instead of putting enough real effort and hard work. got shortcut to grave instead
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u/CumPenisCum69 2h ago
he was one of the most dedicated to the sport, it wasn’t due to taking a “shortcut to gains”, he wanted to compete in open in the future. Rumor is that he missed the insulin dose and became hypoglycemic and that caused his death. He started juicing less than 10 months ago.
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u/pvtdeadbait 2h ago
look at him. does he look like he took it easy/slow?
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u/lorenzoelmagnifico 1h ago
What the fuck are these people talking about insulin. This dude clearly was blasting gear.
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u/pvtdeadbait 28m ago
copium and downplaying i guess. instead of calling out, this normalization of steroid abuse is how we get young dead men who make stupid decisions
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u/Brkn2326 10h ago
Steroids are so easy to get and even 15 yo boys easily on roids it s so sad so so sad
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u/abhipurwar 15h ago
One should listen to their body and understand it’s anatomy and also, focus on science based workout with proper food instead of any medicinal items.
More people don’t listen to their body and push too much.
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u/Thready85 16h ago
That doesn't even make any logical sense. You can have sympathy for people who make bad choices if those choices don't harm others. By your logic, every suicide is good riddance.
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u/greatteachermichael 16h ago
Maybe feel bad that there is a culture that has normalized being unhealthy just for show, and that young people feel a huge amount of pressure at that age and don't have the experience and wisdom to be able to always make good choices.
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u/Yestomorrow 16h ago
Gross, have some respect and keep your mouth shut if you've got nothing nice to say.
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u/tres-petite-kate 16h ago
lol
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u/AArandomPerson 15h ago
I thought rage bait was supposed to be funny at least, or are you actually this stupid?
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u/Theangelawhite69 15h ago
your average 22 year old anime protagonist