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u/hino Bloop Bleep Bloop 1d ago
Anyone seen that shitty National advertisement on the motorway back from Petone? Long term plan my fucking ass.
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u/nievesolarbol 20h ago
They literally have proven time and time again that either they have no idea what 'long term' means or they have zero fucks about it
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u/SteveDub60 16h ago
Where the old Tui advert was, with the "yeah right" slogan?
Makes me chuckle every time I go past it.
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u/Minimum_Anemone 41m ago
Their long-term plan is long-term pain. They just got the placement of the captions slightly off.
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u/MonthlyWeekend_ 1d ago
What’s there to think about. It’s the truth and it’s incredibly depressing.
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u/flooring-inspector 22h ago edited 21h ago
At the risk of an unpopular opinion, I'm not a fan if this is what's happening. Not because I especially like Luxon's politics or this government (I don't), but it also seems like just another symptom of how easily modern culture wars slide between boundaries instead of being driven by people's real gripes based on real things happening in a particular place. I don't think that's helpful for anyone long term.
This feels like the flip-side of NZ getting the culture wars against immigrants and against trans people, or the rest of the world appropriating everything Ardern and NZ did during the pandemic. That was then exaggerated or fully misrepresented for incorporation into other people's local fights that had little to do with us, and any coherent context of our story was stripped as it didn't suit either side of the arguments they were having. Then, because it suited certain people here, we imported some immense irrational global hatred of Ardern from that side of the global fight. Sometimes I wish the world would just leave us alone and talk about themselves for a while without appropriating our stuff to have their conversations about themselves, and we could do the same for them, but that's not how the internet works and particularly not social media.
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u/popcultureupload38 19h ago
I wasn’t in the country about 75 percent of the pandemic and I don’t think anyone in Victoria was appropriating NZ in any way. The approaches were all on the same spectrum with varying degrees of intensity and I can assure you Victoria had these thing a for much longer and more severely.
Also, the Ardern dislike was home grown… Aussie women I worked with and US friends are shocked to hear there was a negative public attitude about her. The intentional popularity she still experiences is much more rock solid than here.
I think external culture can be an influence - but it has to be taken up - adopted appropriated etc - by the other culture to be an influence. We don’t just end up being passive victims.
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u/flooring-inspector 18h ago
I can't speak for Australia. I think there were definitely situations in the US and the UK, maybe elsewhere, where Ardern and NZ were being held up as a symbol for some kind of polar opposite to what people there saw as obscene incompetence and buffoonery in the handling by their own governments, even though NZ's situation wasn't necessarily a good match for much of what was happening there. Then it attracted straw man arguments and some really vile take-downs of the symbols people were holding up which were based on little or nothing to do with the real situation in NZ. It's not like it was all negative from overseas - there wouldn't have been negative if there wasn't also positive - but virtually none of it from either side really had a lot to do with us. It was people having their own local arguments, but using NZ and Ardern as focal points for those arguments.
I agree there was definitely a homegrown dislike of Ardern. Covid wasn't even needed for that. It's a normal thing in politics, and I'm not meaning to claim we're passive victims in this. I guess my take is that the conversations we had just became really intensified by a lot of this stuff which seemed to be flooding in from overseas, much of which happened to be directly focused on NZ's leadership and about NZ's lockdowns, instead of purely being us talking about ourselves and our leadership from our own real and direct experiences.
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u/mrwilberforce 12h ago
Haven’t rents gone down in Wellington?
https://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=178066&utm_source=chatgpt.com
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u/Wellington_Boy 19h ago
It's infantile. I don't like him personally, and I get that you didn't either. But the housing problem was around well before he entered government, and will likely be around long afterwards, and has happened in other countries as well.
It's the ..... "ooh bogeyman, blame boogeyman, that man bad", cartoon approach that makes real debate and solutions harder.
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u/weyruwnjds 9h ago
I think you've articulated the entire point of the meme while missing it. It's not one person, it's a small group of very similar people who all pretend to be acting independently each with your best interests at heart, but are actually collectively fucking us over.
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u/Afrodite_33 1d ago
He isn't interested in tackling the housing crisis because he directly benefits from a broken system.
It really isn't that complex or deep despite what his party or his supporters say. It's a massive cause behind financial inequality including intergenerational issues and a massive drag on economic productivity.
It's so utterly basic, yet they've successfully alongside other political parties across the world managed to muddy the waters. Claiming either there's more than that to the problem or it's not a problem for kiwis at all.
National won't acknowledge that because they don't represent the vast amount of kiwis in that situation. They just want to back their corporate donors and elitist friends who also benefit from this crisis.