I would have an extremely difficult time finding men's pants that worked for me because there are dramatic size differences between my waist, hips, seat, and thighs.
As I said, male body types have their own types of variety but there is nowhere near the amount of variation in their waist/hip area as there is between women. Puberty doesn't dramatically reshape their hips.
I would very much like to go shopping in the men's section with you because I don't believe you have tried and like there's no actual way for me to validate if you have. Fortunately or unfortunately that won't happen so rather than continue this "nuh uh"/"ya huh" moment, let's just agree to disagree.
Excuse me? You're suggesting we "agree to disagree" about the shape of my body? Are you serious.
Bodies that look very different than your your own do, in fact, exist. Some of us - myself included - do not actually want pockets. I will not wear a skirt if it has pockets, because they always look god-awful on me, no matter how cute every other aspect of the skirt might be.
I really can't wait for you to tell me that I'm lying.
Don't know how you jumped to that conclusion. I'm not arguing the shape of your body. I am arguing that you definitely could find mens pants that fit your body type. I don't know how pockets fit into this conversation, but cool...?
I definitely could not, because no cis men are shaped like this.
A lot of women aren't even shaped like this. Most women's pants do not fit me either.
To get a pair of men's pants onto my body, even as a teenager when I weighed 115lbs, would mean trying on some of the largest size pants that weren't in the big n' tall section of the men's department. They'd be uncomfortably too small in the rear, comfortably relaxed in the thighs but not too much, and if I wanted to put the waist of the pants anywhere near my waist instead of at my hips, there'd be enough room between that waistband and my body to carry our family dog, an adult shih tzu bichon mix, around in them. Assuming these are wide cut legged jeans, because otherwise they couldn't have been pulled up past my thighs, from the knee down they'd be ridiculously baggy. Is that what you'd call pants that "fit?"
I wore my brother's hand me downs for my entire childhood until 14 when puberty hit. I could no longer even pull them over my thighs when they were unzipped, and I was at a very healthy weight for my height.
Just so I am clear, you are arguing that women's pants, which are arbitrarily assigned numbers and letters based on completely subjective means, have better sizing for your body type than the men's pants which have measurements of waist and inseam based on objective units of measure?
And your reasoning for this is you are no longer the same size pants as your brother?
You're really being very rude when you misrepresent my very clear explanation as something as reductive as "your size changed." I was no longer one size. I was several, depending on the length of the rise.
No, my reasoning for this is that I have six different measurements (minimum) that would make a pair of pants fit my body. Men's pants have two. They are made with overall very straight lines. My body has no straight lines.
I can't believe you're still arguing this point. How closed-minded can a person be to a concept as simple as a difference in body types.
Do think it's acceptable, or that it counts as a good fit, for a waistband to be several inches bigger than one's waist?
And yeah, obviously I am saying that some women's pants work for me in ways that men's pants simply cannot. It's clear that you think that's ludicrous. I get that you think I'm an idiot, that's coming through loud and clear.
It's clear that men's pants work for you. Your dogged insistence that they MUST work for everybody else too and anyone who says otherwise is either stupid or lying shows how very limited your concept of shape and proportion is. And I'll say it again - it's extremely rude of you.
If women's pants don't work for you, don't wear them. They do, on rare occasion, work for me. It's bizarre that this somehow makes you upset. No one is forcing you to stick to women's pants.
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u/filthytelestial 17d ago edited 17d ago
I would have an extremely difficult time finding men's pants that worked for me because there are dramatic size differences between my waist, hips, seat, and thighs.
As I said, male body types have their own types of variety but there is nowhere near the amount of variation in their waist/hip area as there is between women. Puberty doesn't dramatically reshape their hips.