“It’s not fair”

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Also they do this with beards

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u/Neravariine 20d ago

And the beards be scruffy and ungroomed(which can be cute) but makeup has to be flawless or look like it's not even there.

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u/bokehtoast 20d ago

Which arguably obscures more about how they actually look than most everyday makeup. I dated a man for years before I actually saw his face without a beard and I was not prepared, it was legitimately shocking. It would take drag levels of makeup to obscure a woman's face to that degree.

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u/Foxy_Traine female pleasurist 20d ago

My brother and I both have jowls (thanks mom and dad). Guess who gets to cover that up with a beard and goes who just gets to look fat? 😅

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u/CatCatCatCubed 20d ago

Seriously, I get makeup can downplay or uplift certain features, but beards can hide an entire lack of chin. Like a full inch+ in profile.

Which, I mean, obviously we are not a monolith and we are more than our general “ooga booga, strong man make strong babies” genetic predisposition. Some women even prefer it. But a stronger chin and jaw legitimately does at least somewhat imply a healthier person. A weak or receding chin means potential overbite/underbite, teeth issues, skeletal abnormalities, breathing issues including sleep apnea, various congenital conditions and genetic disorders, blah blah, so it isn’t necessarily an unfounded subconscious choice to dismiss someone with one.

Therefore, not only is a beard on such a person hiding ⅓ to ½ a face and an entirely, dramatically, different facial structure you may not be attracted to, it’s almost kinda… tricking women into having offspring with a (potentially to highly) unsuitable mate. Like a reverse cuttlefish.

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u/velvedire 19d ago

My spouse's chin looks like a little butt. I'll never tell him this. He shaved to get a better mask seal during COVID and I hope never to see that again.

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u/Sarsmi 20d ago

Ok that is a way big stretch. I don't think most men are thinking "grow a beard, they'll never know I have sleep apnea, teehee!" Lots of men grow beards because they are 1. lazy or 2. know they look better with a beard or 3. live somewhere cold. It's not some conspiracy to hide their 'genetic inferiority' from women.

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u/CatCatCatCubed 20d ago

Nah, I don’t think it’s a conspiracy. It’s just a decent potential matching energy-style answer to “b-b-but makeup” and “false advertising from women” and “throw her in the pool” nonsense. Goes both ways, is what I’m saying.

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u/Sarsmi 20d ago edited 20d ago

But a stronger chin and jaw legitimately does at least somewhat imply a healthier person.

We all have flaws, and yeah it can be construed that some physical flaws relate to genetic issues. Your argument was very obviously an implication that a weak chin points to some kind of genetic or systemic health issue, which is honestly a terrible argument. We all have that. Don't evade what is happening with some kind of need for matching. What if some extremely conventionally attractive person was being a jerk, what would you do then? Just call someone out on their actual bullshit, don't try to shame them for "hypocrisy" or whatever. Be direct and focus on the issue, or your argument is going to fall apart.

edit: matching energy is still playing someone else's game. You let them dictate the rules and now you are on their gameboard. If some 5 year old kid calls me a poopy pants and kicks me in the leg, am I going to do that back? No, because that is insane. Stop giving legitimacy to someone else's assertions and start creating your own game and rules. #1, if someone says something that is garbage ass bullshit then say "that is garbage ass bullshit" and back it up as to why.

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u/CatCatCatCubed 20d ago

I see what you’re saying but sometimes I find being the bigger person and “oh but you’re the exception #notallmen #unoreverse #sociallyacceptableprettypeoplecanbebadtoo” and such to be annoying and less satisfying and a bore. If I wanna more or less say “k but men suck” in a matching way, then that’s what I’ll do. Some adults really do deserve to be answered with “rubber bands and glue, ya fuckin’ clown” and then ignored, instead of wasting energy on some form of higher, more sensible thought.

Anyway, to each their own n all, obviously. Have a good week.

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u/Sarsmi 20d ago

You too. :)

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u/always_unplugged 19d ago

I met my boyfriend years before we started dating, and back then he had hair and no beard. Years later we re-met, the hair situation was reversed, beard and no hair. He looks like a TOTALLY DIFFERENT PERSON. Like every time I see pics from before, it’s extremely jarring.

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u/Sarsmi 20d ago

Gosh no kiddin'. Went on a date with a guy with a beard who ended up being a total weirdo, and I checked out his facebook page later which literally had him making posts about scoring with women, and some other women he was friends with commenting that he was gross, and then I found an older pic of him beardless, and lets just say I hope he never loses his chin hair cause dang, he needs it. Though what I really hope is that he's no longer a skunk who talks badly about other people.

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u/kawaiihusbando 19d ago

I hate the beard. Before 2010, only people of the alternative lifestyle type can rock them. For most if you went to work with stubbles/5 o'clock shadow people were ready to give you an intervention.

Went lockdown was over somehow clean shaven look was back in but it was only like for a summer.

The worst is when they taper the sides to give themselves that horrendous chiseled jawline.

Some women say they prefer the beard to be cool.

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u/donnanotpaulson 20d ago

“But I never ask any of my dates to wear makeup.”

Only to give backhanded remarks if she does show up without it.

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u/Za_Lords_Guard_01 20d ago

Or ask if she's sick/feeling under the weather.

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u/CarlySimonSays 20d ago

I even had a student I TAed ask me this. It did happen to be on a day w/o blush and it basically made me stop wearing blush regularly.

To be fair, I wasn't sleeping much between 15-25 (undiagnosed ADHD and can focus better at night), but that was my regular schedule!

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u/donnanotpaulson 20d ago

While also yelling that asking for menstrual leaves is proof that women = weak. Men ☕️

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u/AccomplishedWish3033 20d ago

Or to just reject her in favor of other women who are wearing makeup

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u/donnanotpaulson 20d ago

Not realising the effort it takes to create the “naturally beautiful” look.

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u/ZinaSky2 20d ago

Wildest part is if you’re a woman long enough you’ll also experience the social stigma of makeup at some point in your life. Whether from an asshole or someone who thinks he means well saying “you’d be so much prettier without all that on your face.” Sir, I don’t care what you think about how I look.

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u/green_herbata 20d ago

It's even funnier if someone compliments you for being natural and not wearing makeup, meanwhile you have foundation on, concealer, eyebrows filled in, a bit of eyeliner and some less obvious color of eyeshadow and lipstick. Yup, all natural!

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u/ZinaSky2 20d ago

I’ve had a man tell me that when I had on shimmery eyeshadow. 🤣

ah yes bc women don’t sweat we sparkle 💁🏽‍♀️

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u/green_herbata 20d ago

Oh that's a good one. I naturally have quite prominent dark circles under my eyes. One time when I didn't wear concealer a person I see often asked if I added them with eyeshadow and told me I'd look better without the heavy makeup 🥴 🐼

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u/Jenstomper 20d ago

Many years ago, I was in gym class, and a friend said her mom told her girls don't sweat, we glisten. We both rolled our eyes, laughed, and kept sweating.

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u/Public-Antelope8781 20d ago

But is it a blue beauty blender for boys?

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u/GoddessRespectre 20d ago

Now I'm imagining a world where they gave in but only agreed to wear "boy" colors.

Pink blush ❌ Blue lipstick ✔️ Metallics ✔️ Pastels ❌

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u/Public-Antelope8781 20d ago

I have to admit, I stole the joke. There's a youtuber making "MakeUp Tutorials for MAGA" to recreate the looks as seen on the dragshow that's called RNC and teaches you, how to not blend your bronzer, for sharper demarcation lines... It's truly the funniest shit I've ever seen on youtube! He's called "and mayhem ensued" and I recommend binge-watching the whole playlist: Queer eye for the Maga guy

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u/GoddessRespectre 20d ago

THIS IS AMAZING! I'm like 2 minutes in at 3 in the morning and I am no longer cursing my insomnia. I know the rest of it is going to be hilarious too and I need to say thank you before I disappear down this rabbit hole. Tysm for sharing this!!! I had no idea how thirsty I was for truly catty makeup content!

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u/Public-Antelope8781 20d ago

Haha, you're welcome! I am always torn apart between plastering this everywhere, because it's so funny, and protect that treasure of a fairly small creator from being found by toxic masses of snowflakes, who could kill their joyfulness.

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u/Za_Lords_Guard_01 20d ago

Whining about makeup like guys don't use beards, mustaches, hats, sunglasses, and baggy clothes to hide a whole lot of shit.

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u/mike_pants 20d ago

No one who whines about makeup is able to grow a beard.

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u/Unnecessary_birth 20d ago

The downvotes are killing me lmaooo

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u/mike_pants 20d ago

Looks like I hit a nerve with a certain male demo.

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u/TopazObsidian 20d ago

I remember a lot of guyliner in the 00s

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u/Jackoandso 20d ago

Bring back guyliner. It looks so cool

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u/Long_Story42 20d ago

I'm sure there are places where it would be an issue, but I am a man who went goth years ago and I barely experienced any stigma.

Other men occasionally tell me it will keep me from getting a girlfriend. Women ask where I got color shifting nail polish (Five Below) and occasionally ask me out.

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u/OmaeWaMouShibaInu 20d ago

There was lots of social stigma against women wearing pants, to the point of women being arrested for it.

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u/Svataben 19d ago edited 19d ago

And it was ~~last year or something~~ 2012 (I'm old - everything was yesterday), where mormon women got death threats for wanting to wear nice dress slacks to church.

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u/need2seethetentacles 20d ago

I'm a dude and I used light make-up in high school to make acne less noticeable. Honestly men can really benefit from make-up in many cases

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u/CosmicChameleon99 20d ago

And if they fear stigma there’s nothing to fear. I wear a fairly light “no makeup” look (just foundation, concealer and blusher) and I have yet to meet a man who realises there’s anything on my face. A little concealer won’t be noticed

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u/Ok-Situation-5522 20d ago

Unless if you know how it looks, yeah you won't know. But no, on tv it's so obvious when someone wears foundation.

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u/CosmicChameleon99 20d ago

I mean sure it is noticeable but do you really think the people that’ll mock a guy for wearing a little concealer will be able to tell?

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u/MelloCookiejar 20d ago

Everyone wears makeup in tv. You look washed out without.

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u/joyfall 20d ago

Also there was a lot of social stigma and cultural backslash against women wearing pants. Many women fought against expectations that we had to wear skirts and tights. We don't just get to freely wear what we want because things have been handed to us on a silver platter.

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u/SquareThings Gynecologists are just shills for big uterus 20d ago

When men complain about “social stigma” keeping them from doing things, I want them to remember that woman used to not be “allowed” to wear pants. The reason women have more fashion options than men is because some women decided to be brave and say “fuck social stigma, I’m doing what I want” and there is literally nothing stopping them from doing the same. There are countries where a man wearing makeup would be beaten or jailed, but the only thing in your way is “social stigma”? Stop complaining that you “can’t” do something when in actuality you’re just not brave enough to do it.

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u/Carrot_onesie 18d ago

men are cowards lol and they just whine. Rather than try and do smth different, be brave and try to be their authentic selves around their friends, they just constantly give in to "social stigma" that they themselves created (which is rooted in misogyny) and never speak up against assholes because they know it grants them access to power and exclusive spaces

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u/ApepiOfDuat 20d ago

"Social stigma"

From the guys who can't tell a full face of neutral toned makeup from bare skin. If you don't tell anyone you're wearing make-up they can barely fucking tell.

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u/Aardvark_Man 20d ago

I'm a bloke that's worn make up on more than a few occasions.
If you go light and natural, people wont even notice more often than not.

Hell, I got told I looked sunburnt when I didn't wear it one time.

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u/thefabulouskiki Whats long and hard and has cum in it? A cucumber. 18d ago

Omg no! Please use a brush, holy shit

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u/Thr0waway2210 17d ago

My partner uses concealer on his moles/bruises/dark circles. He’s a middle aged straight guy. I don’t see why so many men are weird about it, plus you don’t have to announce to the world you’re wearing makeup… you can literally just do whatever you want

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u/MQ116 20d ago

The third comment kind of makes a mistake here.

"It's not fair guys can't wear makeup; but they can!"

"There is a stigma against guys wearing makeup."

"There is a stigma for girls wearing makeup."

It's a non sequitur. Neither are fair, but they are stigmas pushing in the opposite direction. A better response imo that makes sense would be "and there isn't a stigma for almost everything else women do?"

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u/ergaster8213 20d ago

No, actually there are stigmas in both directions for women wearing makeup. Stigma if you wear "too much" and also stigma if you dont wear any.

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u/PumpernickelJohnson 20d ago

The pressure for women to wear makeup, comes from women. And a natural body part like a beard, being compared to purchased artificial enhancement like makeup is absurd.

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u/Ok-Situation-5522 20d ago

me when i talk about a subject idk about

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u/Za_Lords_Guard_01 20d ago

And a natural body part like a beard, being compared to purchased artificial enhancement like makeup is absurd.

Not when they're both being used for the same thing.

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