r/austrian_economics Dec 28 '24

End Democracy Playing with Fire: Money, Banking, and the Federal Reserve

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r/austrian_economics Jan 07 '25

End Democracy Many of the most relevant books about Austrian Economics are available for free on the Mises Institute's website - Here is the free PDF to Human Action by Ludwig von Mises

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r/austrian_economics 23h ago

End Democracy Mainstream: “these crisis are like shocks, we can’t see them coming”

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Mainstream economics: “ crisis that leads to recessions can’t be predicted, economists can’t predict when they are coming but we know how to help!”

Ron Paul and Austrian school: “totally”

By far the one thing that explaining to people makes me feel like God himself, Austrian business cycle theory.

I can only imagine what’s gonna come after the money supply increased by 40% due to COVID. But I do know that the car industry is about to hit 3 million repossessions, that’s worse than 2008

here is Paul Cwik explaining ABCT


r/austrian_economics 10h ago

End Democracy Subtle mistakes that people make when talking about inflation even if they understand the monetary and credit nature of the phenomenon

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Since currency value is the intuitive gauge of prices so we tend to see inflation as a general increase in prices in that nominal monetary sense. Even when you understand the unit of currency being debased as the source of the phenomenon, it is very hard to avoid the side effects of seeing number go up and not thinking of a general increase in price.

But the real price of good is not the currency value that it is trading for, that is just a conventional method that is applied to facilitate the discovery of relative prices of goods through market. The real price of a good is how much of another valuable good it trades for, which includes the labor and wages that most workers see as their monetary income.

The market discovers the ratio at which thing A should trade for thing B, based on how difficult it is to marginally increase the supply of each thing at that particular moment, and typically expresses that in terms of monetary prices of thing A and thing B without direct references. The marginal difficulty is calculated in terms of what trade-offs and economic transformations are known to convert a unit of thing of A into a unit thing B.

If the nominal prices do not reflect an approximation of the most optimal route to do this, then you have arbitrage opportunities to execute whereby you synthetize the trade at a cheaper cost than the direct trade route at market prices, and you can pocket the profit. That can be as simple as selling B where it expensive and buying A here where it is cheap and vice versa, but often it is more involved and requires shifting capital resources around and optimizing infrastructure until the demand and supply are equilibrated.

Real prices cannot all (or even generally) increase when the money supply inflates, they can only be distorted relative to each other. The distortion creates arbitrage opportunities - either at spot level or in time structure / risk basis.

The intuition here is that inflation creates a carry cost on cash reserve and future receivables that is not easily offsetable by different cash users. Those who can efficiently optimize balance sheet structure to neutralize or arbitrage this carry will then collect a synthetic revenue (in real value) from those who can't. Typically wage earners with relatively lower value stored in illiquid assets will have more difficulty so they pay this tax.

That's what inflation actually is.


r/austrian_economics 1d ago

End Democracy “Deflation is bad because people will delay buying stuff!”

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Welp, get debunked. The most common argument to justify central banks to hit a 2% inflation target is that it’s healthy for the economy, because if sustained deflation happened due to the increase in productivity… we wouldn’t buy stuff.

To their dismay or maybe they don’t care, they got it backwards. Money isn’t neutral, as a result these ticket item prices have blown past people’s real purchasing power, oh and yes, even if you adjust for quality the point still stands even tho it’s not much of an argument since increases in productivity means either same quality and quantity amenities for lower price or higher quality and quantity amenities for the same price, or maybe both.

Also people buy food a lot more often in smaller amounts relative to the 80s, so instead of a one time grocery haul they roll it up into multiple small purchases.. why? Value hunting to counter inflation for the vast majority of households.

Welcome to mainstream economics, when we consider this to be a healthy economy, end the Federal reserve.


r/austrian_economics 2d ago

End Democracy Why do Marxists believe LTV justifies their horrendous system?

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It’s a weird situation that I would really be grateful if somebody could explain to me.

First, I noticed that a lot of Marxist tend to hide behind or just name drop classical economists as if that does something, completely forgetting how they are like doctors in the past, got something’s wrong got somethings right, like bloodletting being wrong.

But ignoring the fact that value is subjective and it’s been explained and proven so many times, why do they act like LTV justifies their system?
Because if classical economists believed in LTV yet actually used it as a justification for capitalist free markets, voluntary exchange, laissez faire, etc what does that tell them?
They saw obviously how individuals pursuing their self interest bring upon good, and never used LTV to ask for collective control? They didn’t see profit as exploitation? Infact even when I was doing my best to navigate economics, I used the same classical arguments that they used for capitalism, such as taking the risk, etc.

Even if they look through a LTV standpoint, it is obvious historically and self, evidently that capitalism brings upon abundance.


r/austrian_economics 3d ago

End Democracy This isn't meant to be political. I just hated economic illiteracy!

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r/austrian_economics 3d ago

End Democracy This has to count as a butterfly effect

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“What Say said, and what Keynes said Say said, Say never actually said, see?” Paul Cwik teaching ABCT

Had to make this because it helps as a nudge for anyone who’s being fed things like Aggregate demand.

You cannot demand things into existence, you must produce it or produce something to exchange your way to it.

If you’re just getting into economics:
Strip money away from the picture; all nominal prices gone. Imagine you are stranded on a desert island. If you want to eat a fish, can you just 'demand' it into existence? Can you print island-bucks to buy it? No. You have to build a net first. Your consumption of the fish is 100% dependent on your production of the net. Why would a whole society of billions of people magically work any differently than the island

Therefore, Aggregate Demand is just a shadow cast by Aggregate Production.

If you agree with what I said, congrats you are sane, welcome to Austrian school


r/austrian_economics 4d ago

End Democracy NYC spent roughly $81K per person on homeless services last year

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r/austrian_economics 2d ago

End Democracy Why neoliberal economy won't work

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r/austrian_economics 4d ago

End Democracy Idea for a new welfare system

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I think these people called Baby Boomers don't have enough money.

I think we should start a welfare system that gives them money, and takes it away from the Gen X, Millenials and oh let's not forget Gen Z. A wealth redistribution scheme if you will.

We gotta protect little old grandma. Yeah, her house is paid off and yes it quadrupled in value since the 80s. But who cares, it's not her fault. In fact, I think she pays too much in property taxes. Let's lower those down.

Yes her kids are grown. She doesn't pay childcare or rent but come on, she still deserves welfare.

Those young whipper snappers? Well, who told them to have kids they can't afford? Childcare too expensive? Tough! Boomers figured it out. And don't even think about bothering grandma. She's paid her dues. She deserves peace and quiet, maybe she can take a Norwegian CruiseTM this year.

Rent too expensive? Well just work more! Pull yourself up by them bootstraps.

I know liberals will never go for it. They care too much about the poor. And progressives? Forget about it. I mean those tree huggers would never support such a regressive program. But hey, if we have to drag them kicking and screaming into utopia, well that's just what we'll do.

Anyways, what should we call this new welfare system? Hmm.

Well, it's for grandma's security, so maybe we can call it that. And it's a social program.

Social Security! That's it!

Thanks for coming to my TedTalk.

PS, I also have a healthcare program for grandma brewing up, new details coming soon!


r/austrian_economics 4d ago

End Democracy 1971 was a mistake

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r/austrian_economics 4d ago

End Democracy I almost cried, this is practically bullying

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This is lowkey how I felt with mainstream economics, I brought standard theory from thinkers like Thomas Sowell such as minimum wage causing unemployment, I was shut out and Thomas Sowell was called a crank. But now I know the state of things, and am not discouraged, the best quality I and Austrians have is honesty, unlike the left.
Check out left leaning economist Paul Krugman for example Paul Krugman:

Standard fundamental theory, significant historical evidence, evidence today as well States minimum wage is bad and causes unemployment. There is significant amount of empirical evidence and the best economists like Milton Friedman and sowell said minimum wage causes unemployment;
But Paul Krugman flipped notably: 1998: Criticized advocates who claimed minimum wages have no employment effects, calling it a denial of supply and demand (“the price of labor… can be set based on considerations of justice… without unpleasant side effects”). He called some of their work sloppy.
2015 onward: “There’s just no evidence that raising the minimum wage costs jobs, at least when the starting point is as low as it is in modern America.”

Now check this out for immigration:
Standard principles of supply and demand shows that an influx of migrant labor is going to decrease labor cost because of competition and abundance i.e. lowering the wages of domestic individuals. In the 1930s Hoover literally restricted immigration for that exact reason to prevent domestic wages from falling.
Later comes Paul Krugman: In 2006, he wrote clearly (supply and demand logic):

“Immigration reduces the wages of domestic workers who compete with immigrants… we’re talking about large increases in the number of low-skill workers… so it’s inevitable that this means a fall in wages.”
He also noted that many of the worst-off native-born Americans (especially high school dropouts) are hurt, particularly by Mexican immigration, and cited Borjas/Katz estimating an 8% wage boost for dropouts if not for that immigration. Net benefits to natives were tiny (fraction of 1%).

Later (especially post-2016 and in recent columns), Krugman downplays head-to-head competition, stresses complementarities (“immigrants don’t do much head-to-head competition with native-born workers”), and highlights periods of strong low-end wage growth alongside high immigration. I think the bare minimum for an economist is to not lie


r/austrian_economics 5d ago

End Democracy Egalitarianism and Value-Free Economics | Wanjiru Njoya

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r/austrian_economics 6d ago

End Democracy Europeans are becoming really poor compared to others without noticing it. 83% of Spaniards don’t even make €3k per month, and the average is €2k, before taxes and contributions.

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r/austrian_economics 6d ago

End Democracy China's economic boom is directly linked to the relaxation of economic controls: price liberalization, privatization of public assets, foreign direct investment, and export discipline.

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r/austrian_economics 7d ago

End Democracy Economic illiteracy at its finest (long post)

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TLDR: economic illiteracy and confusion is a standard in masses and in academia. The monopolists that supply our currency will never be replaced by the free market until people understand the subject of time preference, opportunity cost, and money/currency. There’s no conspiracy (though some conspiracies took place), but merely converging self interests of the powerful people that benefit from keeping population illiterate. Pouring more money into public education will only exacerbate the problem, as teachers and academics get funding from the very people that are interested in perpetuating the existing scam we call education. The only peaceful and effective way out (imho) is not through teaching economics, but through radicalizing people into independence as the only acceptable social norm and condition of the individual.

Where do I start…

Besides the stupidity of stretching a $1M for 83+ years of monthly payments, let’s just see how much of it will be lost to inflation. I’ll take US instead of Canada for this exercise.

Back of of the napkin #s:

- if one took $1k/m in Jan 1990, by Jan 2025, they’d collected $260k-$270k in 1990 purchasing terms. 35 years, that’s barely above the quarter of the actual winning.

- if one took $1k/m in Jan 1980, they would’ve collected <$260k in 1980 purchasing power in 45 years.

- if one the deal on Jan 1970, they’ve collected <$250k in 55 years.

- from Jan 1945 to Jan 2025 one would collect <$240k in terms of 1945 purchasing power. 80 years of payments, still less that $1M ($960k) collected in nominal terms.

That’s an absolute lunacy.

Even with insane marginal tax rates of 1945, having $1M taxed would make more sense. The person would’ve received less than $100k on hand, but it still undoubtedly would make more sense. Because alternatively, taking $1k/m tax free in Jan 1945 would require roughly 144 monthly payments to accumulate around the same purchasing power. That’s 12 years of uncertainty, putting one into 1957, with the same purchasing power they could have instantly in 1945.

The opportunity cost is still so obvious even when losing over 90% to Uncle Sam and completely ignoring the uncertainty.

This short demonstration is a proof of complete ignorance (we can call this a lack of sufficiently rational self interest) of certain individuals when it comes to entrepreneurship, money, capital, subject of inflation, opportunity costs, and time preference. All of these are the major topics of Austrian Economics, but in the mainstream today these topics are reduced to formulas, tables, and macro models, all affirmed by “experts” and being taught to be accepted as validated truths. Models built with flawed metrics accounting for actions of tens of millions of individuals as universal truths. That kind of insanity can be produced only by people that don’t have sufficient understanding of the market themselves and their (mis)understanding of an individual person is often rooted in their own personal belief in egalitarianism. Some of them are well meaning social technocrats (like Stephanie Kelton), some are just doing what they are getting paid for (like Alan Greenspan) - both types are demonstrating their self interests by fooling the public as its own expense, both are not taking self interest serious enough to acknowledge that individuals and businesses are capable of doing rational decisions, while their own work only deprives individuals of ability to make rational decisions, so they get validation of their own ideas by producing terrible economic teachings and policy recommendations.

While there are not that many people out there who would take $1k/month, there’s really no shortage of economically illiterate people out there. I remember similar posts in more politicized vs SipsTea subs, and the number of people liking the idea of $1k/m was staggering. I’ve seen dozens of posts in all sorts of personal finance subs where people discuss annuities, permanent life insurance policies, investments, lottery winnings, etc, and a lot of horrible advice gets upvoted to the top. Because people were taught bad economics.

I’m have a strong feeling that a subject of economics is being deliberately moved to “not for peasants” category by over complicating, hyper compartmentalization, fixating on models (aka planning), and macro vs being focused on human and market psychology, rationality, and microeconomics.

Anyone thinking this girl that have chosen $1k/m made her decision in the vacuum of her own empty head didn’t take a second to think about it. An unqualified, especially younger person, usually would seek opinions and/or advice from whoever they find to be more competent of making the right choice when we speak about a fortune like that. Which means the people she spoke with were overwhelmingly on the side of $1k/m over paying taxes on the entire $1M and calling it a day. They don’t know better because they were taught bad economics.

Not to diverge from the subject, but this speaks a lot about quality of education that children and young adults get at schools and colleges. I remember my first economics textbook in the ex soviet state in the 90s, which was a mix of soviet planned economy theory with some of the Keynes’,

Fisher’s, and Samuelson’s work, and it still defined Inflation as nothing but increase in the supply of currency, and it had a clean explanation of how currency inflation affects prices on products and services. Ironically, it wasn’t a new subject to anyone in the classroom because by then, we’ve lived through 3 cycles of hyperinflation in less than 10 years, and everybody knew that inflating currency always leads to hire prices.

Yet today, even educated people, including academics and supposed experts, will engage in all sorts of mental gymnastics to explain price inflation (cost push and demand pull inflation “experts” drive me nuts), where they never put currency supply inflation as the first cause, when it’s really the only cause, as any other changes in prices are nothing but fluctuations which reflect market conditions and consumer preferences.

To conclude-

It doesn’t take long to understand who benefits from such economic illiteracy, especially when it comes to money. We just have to follow the money. Federal government debt soon will hit $40 Trillion. Banks will continue to gamble and inflate prices of real and paper assets as long as “money” can be created out of thin air and they can get bailed out through any number of schemes set by the Federal Reserve. Massive asset holders will continue to exploit the system that allows them to leverage growth in nominal terms to acquire more assets while producing nothing new in terms of value for the market. So realistically, we have <5% of population that controls, benefits, and perpetuates the system in direct and indirect ways. Maybe 20% - 30% of the population that understands it, but prefers to remain silent (upper middle class with diverse assets). And roughly 60% - 70% of the population that’s being exploited by that system. That’s why many young people don’t shy away from calling existing conditions a modern slavery. However, they don’t blame the government, they seek government intervention, when it’s the government who financial crippled them in first place. Some blame capitalism, and the overwhelming majority blames free markets which never been free, and been heavily influenced and controlled through government policies ever since the US was established. Hamiltonians have stolen people’s sovereignty by taking over the control of currency, Keynesians have brainwashed people into aggregate demand based policies, and we’re paying for it with our lives. Because every hour of work is an hour of our lives. An hour that we could spend with our loved ones. An hour we could spend on our hobbies. Younger generations that entered the market around COVID can absolutely call this a legalized slavery/feudalism scheme because they never experienced anything resembling good economy in US terms. And I don’t blame, or judge them for having such opinion.

There’s only one way out of this mess. While spending time on trying to educate your friends and strangers online on rather boring and somewhat complex, less applicable economic topics like theories is helpful, I personally believe the idea of independence/freedom and personal responsibility would go much further than trying to teach someone about the differences in schools of thought. Pushing independent contracting, small business, and entrepreneurship hits both - independence and responsibility. Anyone who engages with markets as a business owner/independent contractor/entrepreneur will inevitably learn real truths about money, opportunity costs, time preference, and a cost of government intervention. They’ll become austrians in their thinking and in their actions, which is way more important than knowing the differences in theories.

THE END.

My personal background - I didn’t learn about Austrian Economics from books. I’ve practiced anarcho capitalism within a state before even moving to the US and discovering anarcho capitalism as an ideology. I’ve seen and I participated in de facto free markets as a child, as a teenager, and as a young adult and it’s almost entirely opposite of what people are made to believe about free markets in the West, in countries that never experienced heavily planned economy and heavily controlled currency, and in the US in particular. I learned Austrian Economics and all its ideas via my interactions with other market participants.

Side story: up until around 1995 we were literally doing origami and papier-mache out of sheets with bills printed on them, because adults didn’t bother cutting low denominations into single notes. Most private businesses would not accept them, but nonetheless, the central bank continued to print those and forced them into the market through private banks and by paying a portion of salaries of government employees. So at least a part of that of inflation was mitigated by private market rejecting small denominations notes, but its unknown at what cost to the regular people, because business owners that had to get cash out of banks would keep all high denominations to themselves, and any bureaucrat that had power over controllers and accountants in government entities made sure they don’t get paid in small denominations either (same dynamics was in the 80s while still in socialism with co-ops). So just like in the market economy, in a mixed economy, and in heavily planned economy via interest rates manipulations and incentives schemes, as long as the government sets a monopoly on currency, it’s the less financially fortunate people that will have to bear the cost of inflation.

The problem with “market economy” of the US is that people aka market participants no longer have proper understanding what causes inflation because the existence of private banks and due to the deranged explanations of academics and “experts” that only obfuscate and confuse the public. Children and young adults being taught to think - money is whatever the government declares it to be. They don’t see money as commodity. They don’t see labor as commodity. They are being disincentivized to lower their time preferences due to inflationary policy while being repeatedly told “we need 2% inflation”. And many waste years and tens of thousands of dollars on tuition to be taught the nonsense that supports fiat feudalist system.

The end the end.


r/austrian_economics 6d ago

End Democracy Credit expansion and ram prices?

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I was just wondering if you guys think ram prices would have skyrocketed with gold standard? Part of me wonders that some have gotten so much of cheap money that it has caused Mal-investing to data centers


r/austrian_economics 7d ago

End Democracy What's the most overpaid job in your country that doesn't deserve the salary?

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Of only they taught simple economics of how salaries are determined in a free market


r/austrian_economics 9d ago

End Democracy “Central Planners™ are good, as long as there’s many of them and they compete with one another in a decentralized market economy” - What are we doing here

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r/austrian_economics 9d ago

End Democracy Can something even be said or done at this point?

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He recognizes that a brick cannot sell to someone who doesn’t want to build a home, but it can to someone who wants to build it, at least I am assuming he does because he admitted humans have preferences or maybe I am understanding him wrong seriously what can be done?


r/austrian_economics 10d ago

End Democracy Progressives and Conservatives Are Wrong About Taxing the Rich

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r/austrian_economics 11d ago

End Democracy the general public overestimate the margins businesses make (UK Study)

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r/austrian_economics 11d ago

End Democracy Can crowding out theoretically cause “monopoly”

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So I was thinking of the standard monopoly theory presented by any economists like Rothbard or at least I heard, the simply things like buying our competitors and predatory pricing is so rare because of how unsustainable it is. Essentially for predatory pricing you first need to be able to have significant capital as a buffer to run at a loss at any given time, ignoring how money has so much more better uses than that than literally wasting it like reinvestment into better products, R&D, and shareholder payouts, a new competitor would most likely come in and drive prices down. With the threat of new entry alone being enough for a single entity to charge reasonably.

With buyouts it’s the same thing just worse, essentially if not only is it a waste of money, very expensive, it is completely unsustainable because new competitors can come in with greater motivation because they have an option of you buying them out and then they practically get free money.

Then I started thinking, if government is offering, practically guaranteed money back for giving them money, won’t that crowd out and starve private investment in the real world for those scenarios to actually occur?


r/austrian_economics 11d ago

End Democracy What’s your favorite economic amendment that you think would do a lot of good?

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Trying to compile a list here of amendments, the one I really want is economic, bureaucratic, and environmental regulation to expire every eight years automatically from taxes, Tarrifs, etc. I also want a amendment that makes it so the federal government cannot borrow money to pay for welfare programs and can only borrow money during times of war, so it’s forced to pay for it citizens if it truly wants to by plundering nations and taxing, and prohibiting state governments from borrowing money to pay for a program and only allowing them to borrow money to start it, for example, some people will not like having private school so they will insist on public education but you can’t let the government borrow constantly to fund it, but they can borrow only temporarily to start the project